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Old 03-03-2013, 06:12   #1
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Bitterness and unease in bankrupt Zimbabwe

Bitterness and unease in bankrupt Zimbabwe

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programme...nt/8551616.stm

"After 30 years in power, Zimbabwe's veteran leader Robert Mugabe said this week he was ready to stand for another term as president. BBC Africa correspondent Andrew Harding finds Mr Mugabe's party in angry mood, and others - the white minority and the former opposition MDC party - full of foreboding.................."

After running the country into the ground for the last 30 years he and his party still blame the west for all their problems. The reporter got to throw in his two cents.........

"...........Many white Zimbabweans have been slow to acknowledge the debt they owe to the black majority here. Economic empowerment is clearly necessary........."

Do whites under 30 have a debt?
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Old 03-03-2013, 07:03   #2
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They deserve what they created........

Hopefully some day they will dig them selfs out of the hole they created but not anytime soon.
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Old 03-03-2013, 08:21   #3
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Understatement of the Millenium

Prime Minister Ian Smith said "There will be a drop in standards with majority rule."
The entire world, including the cold war enemies Russia and America united to force simple majority rule on Rhodesia and South Africa, despite the multiple examples of its failure in the rest of Africa. Thanks guys, good job.
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Old 03-03-2013, 08:53   #4
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I always feel for Rhodesia. Her future is bleak.
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Old 03-03-2013, 11:06   #5
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Prime Minister Ian Smith said "There will be a drop in standards with majority rule."
The entire world, including the cold war enemies Russia and America united to force simple majority rule on Rhodesia and South Africa, despite the multiple examples of its failure in the rest of Africa. Thanks guys, good job.
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Old 03-03-2013, 11:55   #6
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Just one more example to prove the adage that the road to hell is paved with good intentions. Though I doubt seriously that the Marxist Internationale that forced the embargos on Rhodesia and South Africa gave a shit about "good intentions". Another victory for world socialism - tear down anything successful so everyone (except the annointed leaders) is even more miserable than when they started; then put the corrupt, incompetent thugs who butchered their way to power in charge to see to it that nothing ever rises out of the resultant cesspool again. (And everyone wonders why "progressives" hate the 2nd Amendment.)
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Old 03-04-2013, 00:11   #7
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To me, Rhodesia is THE standard for understanding the catastrophic failures of liberal western foreign policy.

I'm no expert on Rhodesia, but I've read everything I can on it, and enjoyed time I've spent with Rhodesians/Zimbabweans trying to get a grasp on what happened.

The way I understand it(based on reading and talking to Rhodesians) Ian Smith and the Rhodesian Government/people/tribal chiefs has a plan that would have seen an achievable transition to majority rule in approx 25 years.

And the West dropped them like a hot potato for not moving fast enough.....like all of the "insta-democracy" efforts of the era that pretty much all ended in abject failure.

Which to me is a bit like insisting on driving a dangerous but achievable journey at an arbitrary 5X the recommended speed limit just to get to the destination faster.

What could possibly go wrong? Right?

I have the utmost respect for veterans from the US/Canada/UK/OZ/NZ who volunteered to serve there.

How much negative press did Mugabe, the left's darling, get when his North Korean trained 5th brigade committed mass genocide with the Gukurahundi....executing tens of thousands in ethnic cleansing of the Matabele people(Mugabe is Shona) and power consolidation?

Not nearly as much as Op Dingo and other cross border ops into Mozambique, where a handful of RLI/SAS/Selous Scouts Rhodie Security Forces attacked legitimate insurgent camps supporting incursions into Rhodesia with great success only to be bashed in western mass media for "slaughtering innocent civilians in refugee camps".

As I understand it, Ian Smith was able to walk freely in Harare's worst ghettos and shanty towns without fear of reprisal until he had to move to South Africa for health reasons in the middle of the last decade.

Whereas Mugabe can't seem to go anywhere in less than regimental strength.

I was there in 2009 when President Obama "won" the Nobel Prize.......when Morgan Tsvangirai in Zimbabwe had literally been to hell and back leading the Movement for Democratic Change in Zimbabwe paying an exceptionally high personal price for his efforts.

The average African I met was mostly asking me "WTF just happened?"

But the Nobel Prize for Peace is another corrupt and polluted institution.

Meh.....makes me angry.....especially the Left's failure to reflect on it's failure and instead effectively erasing it from ever having happened.

Thank god for the internet, some decent books, and the opportunity to travel and meet folks who lived it.

At least I was able to procure some valuable training aids while in the region for my sons when they grow older, in the form of twenty Zimbabwean 50 Billion Dollar notes.....a trillion bucks. To teach my kids about inflation and tyranny.
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Old 04-25-2013, 04:37   #8
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The entire world, including the cold war enemies Russia and America united to force simple majority rule on Rhodesia and South Africa, despite the multiple examples of its failure in the rest of Africa. Thanks guys, good job.
For a slightly different perspective on the United States' motivation for its policies towards South Africa, interested readers might consult the declassified version of Director of Central Intelligence [William J. Casey], Prospects for South Africa: Stability, Reform, and Violence, Special National Intelligence Estimate, 73.2-85 (February, 1987). This document updated/revised SNIE, 73.2-85 (August, 1985).
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Old 04-25-2013, 05:45   #9
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Old 03-03-2013, 11:00   #10
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Do whites under 30 have a debt?
Good question. Change the age & it could be applied in many places where such debt will never be shed, it is inherited. Like bad Songbun in NK, or the NY-reload in politics with the race card.
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The entire world, including the cold war enemies Russia and America united to force simple majority rule on Rhodesia and South Africa, despite the multiple examples of its failure in the rest of Africa. Thanks guys, good job.
Purest of motives I'm sure.
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