02-15-2012, 18:12
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SMA wants 4-mile run, 12-mile march for PT test
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02-15-2012, 18:27
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If this is implemented as suggested,, Mother has a new way of reducing headcount that can not be considered PC weighted or prejudicial..
May work... 
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02-19-2012, 09:34
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If this is implemented as suggested,, Mother has a new way of reducing headcount that can not be considered PC weighted or prejudicial..
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I agree. The little amount of time that I spend doing PT on FTCKY proper.........is minimal, however whenever I do..........I see way too many soldiers in a sad state of physical fitness. Either walking, or just giving up and stopping.
But at least they all have PT belts on so that they won't get hit by a car on a street that is closed and has road guards........haha.
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02-23-2012, 18:31
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He added that the shuttle run is far more difficult for older soldiers who are not as agile as they once were.
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It's interesting that the 49-year-old Sergeant Major seems to be sympathetic to the interests of the older Soldier as he makes his case for tougher PT.
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02-25-2012, 17:26
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It's interesting that the 49-year-old Sergeant Major seems to be sympathetic to the interests of the older Soldier as he makes his case for tougher PT.
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I don't know about that,but seriously I personally know a QP whose in his mid-50's,who not only is in excellent(not just in good shape)but also smart enough to have been an "O" on active duty and because he loves what he's doing requested to become an NCO leader to be with his men when they go beyond the wire.........  Now that's the kind of soldier (leader)we need,too bad there aren't that many left........  Don't ask me who he is,my lips are sealed...... 
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02-15-2012, 18:29
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I think this is a very good thing. It will force people to meet actual standards. I wonder what percentage of the force actually successfully completed a 12 mile ruck march in the last 12 months?
The only issue, of course, is that both the run and the ruck are conducted at a very slow pace. I don't understand why the Army tolerates soldiers within its ranks who cannot meet the 8 min mile/15 min mile for the both events. I don't think being in a support MOS is an excuse for lessening the standard, especially in the current conflict, where there is no defined front line.
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02-15-2012, 19:15
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Physical fitness is just ONE indicator of quality. Whenever I see leadership (or anyone else) fixated on ONE aspect of the "whole man", I start to wonder if that's their pet peeve because it's the only competence they have.
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02-16-2012, 08:40
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Whenever I see leadership (or anyone else) fixated on ONE aspect of the "whole man", I start to wonder if that's their pet peeve because it's the only competence they have.
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Sometimes I just log on to see what Peregrino has to say.
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If this is the new standard, how can you lawfully put out a male who does four miles in 30:00, but keep the female who does it in 36:00? TR
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well it would be okay if it was based on in-seem. I know my 30 inch takes a beating compared to Richards 42.
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I remember the 50 meter swim test, ...
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that's not physical fitness, that's drown-proofing. Endurance (and skill) won't show til you swim about 500 meters. IMHO
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02-16-2012, 09:36
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I like the idea of a 4 mile run and a 12 mile ruck. Unfortunately, we would lose more than half of our unit. Most of them are good guys, it’s just World of Warcraft or something similar takes precedence over PT.
I also think there should be a leadership competency evaluation thrown in the mix as well. Maybe with some MOUT or Lanes Training Exercise.
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02-16-2012, 12:29
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I also think there should be a leadership competency evaluation thrown in the mix as well. Maybe with some MOUT or Lanes Training Exercise.
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Just an observation, if your post-count is correct. You may want to re-read your introductory emails and post an intro in the appropriate thread.
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02-17-2012, 18:20
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Physical fitness is just ONE indicator of quality. Whenever I see leadership (or anyone else) fixated on ONE aspect of the "whole man", I start to wonder if that's their pet peeve because it's the only competence they have.
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Well said. Not to downplay the importance of Physical fitness, but usually the guy that puts PT ahead of all other aspects, is a PT stud, but lacking in other significant areas. PT is important, but so is maturity, technical & tactical proficiency, "Be, Know, Do".
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02-15-2012, 19:29
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PT Standards?
What are the current requirements for the Basic Airborne Course? Do females get a different testing standard than males?...TK
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02-15-2012, 20:42
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They need to add a swim test to better round out the troops.......
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02-15-2012, 20:45
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If this is the new standard, how can you lawfully put out a male who does four miles in 30:00, but keep the female who does it in 36:00?
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03-10-2012, 18:49
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ON A MISSION to SAVE YOU?
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This is my favorite part.
He is not sure what some of the current standards are but by god he is going to set some new ones.
IMHO they need to concentrate on leadership and skills more than pt
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IN the April 2012 issue of Men's Health there is an article on page 110, Title "ARE YOU SPECIAL FORCES FIT ? On a Mission to Save You: America's Warrior Elite Train for Psychological Resistence, Total-Body Fitness, Calm UNDER FIRE, AND BETTER DECISION MAKING WHEN IT COUNTS, HERE'S HOW YOU CAN USE THEIR CUTTING-EDGE TECHNIQUES TO BECOME BETTER AT EVERYTHING YOU DO. Of course there is a 2 page picture of you guessed it 3 Navy Seals walking in knee deep water with the caption "ANSWERING THE CALL" Navy Seals on a training exercise near CORONADO, CA. On page 113 there is another picture of another special operator with a side bar "TACTICS" 1.Build A COMBAT BODY: Army Green Berets, Fort Bragg, NC. 2.EXCEL AS THE ULTIMATE TEAM PLAYER: Air Force Combat Controllers, HULBURT Field, FL. 3. WIN THE MENTAL BATTLE: Marine Corps Critical Skills Operators, Camp Lejeune,NC. 4. PERFORM UNDER FIRE Navy Seals, Naval Base Coronodo,CA. TK.
PS. What happened to the Good Looking Girl Advatars?
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