Prior Service Waivers

[pjbluetogreen]

So as my name say I was an AF PJ for 8 years (training and Team time). This time last year i decided to put paper work in to go Blue to Green in doing so my the AF in trying to make Goals in force reduction Separated me under a different program instead of the Blue to Green program.
For the past few months I have been working with the local recruiter to get in to the Army with and 18x contract. I was told this week that USAREC has put out new guidelines for prior service 18x contracts that only allow prior service E 1-4 with no mention of waivers. Does anyone have in SA on this new guidance? and does the active duty guidance apply to the Reserve Groups as well?
Thanks for any input.
CL
Never Quit

[RndTblKnght]

I am posting the message your recruiter is referring to below. My advice would be to get in contact with the closest SF recruiter to where you are and ask them (www.bragg.army.mil/sorb). Also, contact the 19th or 20th SF Group recruiting teams to see what they can do for you. They may have avenues of approach that a regular recruiter doesn't have to help you out, but I'm not sure. I hope this information helps. Good luck!

From: Headquarters USAREC
To: All Recruiting Personnel


SUBJECT: Prior Service (PS) enlistments into the Regular Army (RA). (UPDATED)

1. This is an immediate message and requires dissemination to all
recruiting personnel.

2. This message is valid for 2 years from date of publication unless sooner
rescinded or superseded.

3. References:

a. Army Regulation 601-210, Active and Reserve Component Enlistment
Program, dated 8 February 2011 (with Operational changes), dated 14 June 2011.

b. Department of the Army Memorandum, Prior Service Accessions Business
Rules for Grade Determinations, dated 4 October 2011.

c. USAREC message 10-021, Operation Blue to Green Enlistment Program, dated
6 November 2009.

d. USAREC message 12-009, Prior Service (PS) enlistments into the Regular
Army (RA), dated 11 October 2011. (Rescinded)

4. The purpose of this message is to announce new guidance on Prior Service
(PS) enlistments into the Regular Army (RA). Administrative reduction is no
longer authorized to fill a vacancy.

5. Effective 14 October 2011, PS enlistments in all Skill Levels, to include
Soldiers from Sister Services applying for the Blue to Green (B2G) Program, are
restricted by critical MOS exception according to Human Resource Command (HRC)
Accessions Business Rules. This policy does not affect those PS already in
Delayed Status (DS). No reductions in pay grade will be favorably considered,
no exceptions.

6. This policy affects all Days of Service (DOS) Soldiers in pay grades E-1
thru E-4. Applicants with 179 days or less on Active Duty are considered DOS.
Applicants who never shipped to training and have ZERO days of service may apply
for an exception to policy thru Enlistment Eligibility and Processing Division.

7. This policy DOES NOT affect Soldiers who are removed from the Temporary
Disability Retirement List (TDRL). All Soldiers removed from TDRL will have a
formal electronic grade determination completed IAW AR 601-210, Chapter 5-51f.

8. The HRC Business Rules will be updated periodically by HRC (see part II of
this message).

a. Applicants in grade E-5 and above must submit a formal electronic
request for grade determination to CG, USAREC IAW with AR 601-210, Chapter 3-17.

b. If applicant is MOS qualified in an MOS listed for his/her pay grade in
paragraph 1a of the HRC business rules; approval will be granted in his/her grade
in current PMOS.

c. If applicant is not MOS qualified for a MOS listed for his/her pay grade
in paragraph 1a, then grade will be approved to retrain in an MOS listed in
paragraph 1b of the HRC business rules for his/her pay grade.

d. Applicants in pay grade E-4 and above who hold MOS 09L, 18B, 18C, 18D,
18E, 18F, 37F, 42R, 42S, 46Q, 46R, or 89D can request an exception to the
Business Rules. Send exception request thru GCR as a grade determination.
Exceptions are not always favorably considered.

9. If an applicant does not hold the grade and MOS that has an open vacancy
listed in paragraph 1a of the Business Rules and there are no retraining
vacancies in current grade listed in paragraph 1b of the Business Rules, request
for grade determination for the purpose of enlistment in the RA will not be
favorably considered due to lack of vacancies in MOS and grade.



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141600 October 2011 (EST) USAREC MESSAGE 12-013 Part II
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From: Headquarters USAREC
To: All Recruiting Personnel


MEMORANDUM FOR U.S. Army Recruiting Command (RCRO-EEP), Ft Knox, KY 40121.

SUBJECT: Prior Service Accession Business Rules for Grade Determinations
(ref AR 601-210)

1. This memorandum supersedes the memorandum dated 4 October 2011 and
provides new guidance to USAREC in the vacancies that may be filled. These
Business Rules are all encompassing for Prior Service (PS)/Days of Service (DOS)
vacancies.

The following vacancies are available provided the applicant is otherwise
qualified.

a. Vacancies by grade and MOS (changes monthly based on the needs of the
Army):

(1) Grades E-1 thru E-4 - 35P (language dependent) or 91F (see note
below).

(2) Grades E-1 thru E-4 - Must already be AIRBORNE qualified - 13B,
13T, 25S, 35F, 35N, 91F, 92A or 92Y.

(3) Grade E-5 - 35F, 35L, 35N, 35P (language dependent), 46R or 91F (see
note below).

(4) Grade E-5 - Must already be AIRBORNE qualified - 92Y.

(5) Grade E-6 - 35P (language dependent).

(6) Grade E-7 - no vacancies.

(7) Grade E-8 - no vacancies.

(8) Grade E-9 - no vacancies.

NOTE: Prior Service applicants that held PMOS 45B are now MOS qualified in MOS
91F.

b. If no vacancy exists, the following MOS will be used for retraining
(changes monthly based on the needs of the Army):

(1) Grades E-1 thru E-4 - 18X.

(2) Grade E-5 - no vacancies.

(3) Grades E-6 and above - no vacancies.

c. If applicant holds the grade and MOS that is listed in paragraph 1a
above, the applicant will enlist for Option 18, (U.S. Army First Assignment);
Prior Service Accession Branch (USAREC) will validate MOS qualifications.

2. For applicants who require a grade determination, Prior Service Accession
Branch (USAREC) will determine the enlistment grade as follows:

a. Applicant must enlist in the Delayed Status (DS) within 30 days of final
grade determination. He/she must understand that the vacancies constantly
change; if the grade determination expires prior to enlisting into the DS, they
could be subject to disapproval.

b. If an applicant does not hold the grade and MOS that has an open vacancy
listed in paragraph 1a above and there are no retraining vacancies in current
grade listed in paragraph 1b above, he/she will not be granted accession at this
time. Administrative reduction is no longer authorized to fill a vacancy.

c. Training opportunities exist for MOSs and grades listed in paragraph lb
above, however, training is limited.

3. If a renegotiation is approved the DS Soldier may enlist under current HRC
business rules or the HRC business rules in affect at time of entry in the DS.

4. All PS/DOS applicants that hold an Additional Skill Identifier (ASI) may
submit for an exception to policy without regards to the listed MOS vacancies in
paragraph 1a above. Not all exceptions are favorably considered.

[Surgicalcric]

The 18X option is off the table for prior-service candidates in the NG.

You can however enlist in the NG, possibly even into one of the NG SF companies, then after you are ready, attend SFAS and start the SFQC shortly thereafter. There are plenty of threads here addressing the prior-service to NG SF process.

Let us know if you have any remaining questions.

Crip

[Oso]

Originally Posted by Surgicalcric

The 18X option is off the table for prior-service candidates in the NG.

You can however enlist in the NG, possibly even into one of the NG SF companies, then after you are ready, attend SFAS and start the SFQC shortly thereafter. There are plenty of threads here addressing the prior-service to NG SF process.

Let us know if you have any remaining questions.

Crip

There is a MEDEVAC NG unit in Phoenix. I would guess that would be a pretty easy way with your skill set to get your foot in the door guard side.

[Surgicalcric]

Originally Posted by Oso

There is a MEDEVAC NG unit in Phoenix. I would guess that would be a pretty easy way with your skill set to get your foot in the door guard side.

Are you referring to my getting my foot in the door with the NG?

I would hope that with having been on an ODA in the NG for 4-1/2 years I would have more than my foot in the door.

[Oso]

Originally Posted by Surgicalcric

Are you referring to my getting my foot in the door with the NG?

I would hope that with having been on an ODA in the NG for 4-1/2 years I would have more than my foot in the door.

It seems you have no door left to go through - broken at the hinges perhaps.

I was referring to the OP's possibility of going guard to get to SFAS.

[1stindoor]

Originally Posted by RndTblKnght

I am posting the message your recruiter is referring to below...

Nice post, appreciate the help.

[mark46th]

Good luck, PJ- I met some quality people working with the PJ's out of Nakhon Phanom in SE Asia.

[pjbluetogreen]

Thanks for the Help gents. I will see what i can do with this new info.

[Surgicalcric]

As I said earlier, there are plenty of threads on here discussing the NG SF option, the enlistment process, and the varying procedures (state to state) to get to the SFQC.

If you need any other assistance please feel free to ask.

Crip

[mark46th]

PJ- I hope you picked up on the "Language Qualified" phrase that was used often. If you are not competent in a foreign language, start studying one now... It will only help...

[1stindoor]

AR 601-210 covers the Regular Army and Army Reserve Enlistment Program. AR 614-200 section 5-5 covers the Special forces assignments (policy and selection criteria). Both ARs discuss the various waivers that are commonly out there. Beyond that I would call the Special Operations Recruiting Battalion for more detailed information. Good luck.