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Old 07-16-2011, 05:10   #1
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Hi guys, my name is Jordan (new on this forum) and I'm starting Army ROTC in August. Hopefully I'll one day get the opportunity to train for SF and make it to an a-team. But here's my question. I find myself now at a point in my life where I'm totally confused about my own religious beliefs and spirituality. I personally feel a strong force guiding me in my life that pushes me to work harder and always to try to do the right thing. But as a self-proclaimed man of science (my major is chemistry) and a former atheist, I find it hard to totally justify following any organized religion because I can't say that I agree totally with any of them. How has religion or spirituality effected your SF careers or your decision to join SF? I apologize if something like this has already been posted, I used the search button but could not find anything. If something already exists, please just redirect me and I'll be on my way. Thanks!
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Old 07-16-2011, 05:21   #2
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As with everywhere

As with everywhere and everyone - this subject covers the whole range left - right & up - down.

You may resolve this by talking with others.

But it does not become an issue unless you make it one.
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Old 07-16-2011, 05:45   #3
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Old 07-16-2011, 06:05   #4
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Many in SF are Christians, many are not. Leave others alone and they'll leave you alone, that's the best advice I can give.
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Old 07-16-2011, 06:33   #5
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Faith is important but not unless you know that having it not enough...........It's more important to know who your faith in, Jesus...............

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I believe that SF is a 'calling' - not too different from the calling missionaries I know received. I knew instantly that it was for me, and that I would do all I could to achieve it. Most others I know in SF experienced something similar. If, as you say, you HAVE searched and read, and you do not KNOW if this is the path for you --- it is not....
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Old 07-16-2011, 07:03   #6
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Faith is important but not unless you know that having it not enough...........It's more important to know who your faith in, Jesus...............

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Old 07-16-2011, 07:22   #7
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Funny thing about faith

As the others above have stated, it is not religion or the other people who do or do not have it that is YOUR problem. It is what YOU have for yourself. Many SF Brotheren have THEIR OWN inner strength that keeps them going. In my experience, which is one of faith in the Almighty, after you do whatever you do or not do to your deity, the training, your mission, and your brothers take over. Respect for the Team Room is important. What makes SF auspicious is tolerance and knowing that you work with Professionals.


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Old 07-16-2011, 09:08   #8
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On a small brick wall, in an obscure portion of Ft. Bragg, NC -

In memory of our fallen team mates, who were men of vision, daring to be different. Men who had confidence in themselves, trusted their fate to God. They were men of courage, who earned and wore the Green Beret.
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Old 07-16-2011, 05:54   #9
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...my own religious beliefs and spirituality...
Exactly... you will determine what that IT is for you.

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this subject covers the whole range left - right & up - down.
Only advice: Don't confuse "religion" (doctrine and dogma) with "faith"
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Old 07-17-2011, 07:01   #10
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How has religion or spirituality effected your SF careers or your decision to join SF?
I feel as though this has gotten deeply off topic. All I'm really trying to do is ask the QPs what role faith played in their careers as QPs. I am not trying to set up a place to compare, support, validate, or trash various view points. I am not trying to merge of all your religious views to create to some super SF religion where we would all worship the 'Jolly Green Beret Giant' or the likeness of John Wayne. And no offense to Wet Dog, but I'm definately not asking for "shit" thats been copy + pasted off of arbitrary corners of internet. I was asking for stories more than advice.
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Old 07-17-2011, 07:22   #11
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Lucid comment. Since I'm not cleared to speak for Special Forces (though I'm somehow still wearing the tab) I'll just say you seem to have your head on straight. Good luck in your pursuits!

BTW, I thought the thread was legit and respectful. I don't know why anyone would choose to portray the community as less than that.

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Old 07-17-2011, 08:19   #12
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BTW, I thought the thread was legit and respectful. I don't know why anyone would choose to portray the community as less than that.
I agree fully, I thought everyone was being respectful. I just thought that I originally misled folks by providing too much unnecesarry background information, and I noticed it taking a turn for the worst when Abrazadereas tried to recieve some kind of spiritual validation from you guys. I'm just trying to get things back on track.
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Old 07-17-2011, 09:46   #13
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I agree fully, I thought everyone was being respectful. ..... I'm just trying to get things back on track.
O.K., since we are back on track, we'll continue, but despite my failed attempt to bring a bit of humor on a Saturday afternoon, I did use the internet to find, at least a comparative in alphabetical order.

My favorite is still:

"THE-FORCE: Do not be swayed by the Dark Side of the shit."

My SF experience took me to the Islands of the South Pacific, the mountains of Tibet, the Jungles of Central and South America, the valleys and mountains of Puru, the snow topped Andes, Eastern Europe, Southwest Asia, (Middle East), the Far East, Thailand, Laos, Cambodia, Burma, China, and Japan.

I met a few bad guys, drug and dope dealers in St. Petersburg, human traffickers in Los Angeles, Miami, New York, and Mexico City. I've met crooked federal agents, and dis-honest pizza delivery guys.

Why do I tell you this? It is because Greed, Lust and Selfishness can quickly remove any evidence of moral fiber in the best of us, or anyone else for that matter.

Catholic soldiers, under the command of Slobodan Milosevic, killed Albanian-Islamic men, women and children. I saw the evidence of Albanian women who killed other women because they were Serbian. Really? But don’t tell me because it was for religious efforts. It was for greed in ownership of lands, money and power.

Religion has caused more problems in our young world history – but I still believe, and I believe I will be held accountable for my actions. I try the RIGHT, not because I fear an angry father-type who will be disappointed, I attempt the RIGHT, because, it is the right thing to do.

Have I ever, lied, cheated or stole? Yes. Have I ever performed an action in ANGER, yup.

I am accepted by some, dis-liked by many, loved by few.

The question is: How will you perform? Will religious conviction direct your behavior? Will you stand up for RIGHT or will you be swayed like a bug in a wind storm.

The question asked: How has religion or spirituality affected careers or decision to join SF?

I joined SF because if felt I had a calling to do so, like many here, (ZonieDiver) specifically, felt drawn to Special Forces. Many QPs, if not all, feel strongly about the plight of women and child around the world, the oppression of others, and a common theme that FREEDOM is for all.

There are too many threads at PS.com that have been started or ended with religious discussion. Why we serve, have served or continue to serve in Special Forces is a personal choice that each QP has to make for themselves.

I propose a new theme, I’ll call it the Spider Man dilemma. Do you remember the episode when an alien blob binds with Peter Parker, and a black suited Spider Man emerges? Well, what will a Special Forces suit do for you? Personally, I like Superman, or Batman, they’re just guys.

The choice is yours, what are you going to do?
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Old 07-17-2011, 10:24   #14
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Every movement from religion to civil rights to conservation has a core of people trying to wrest power out of it. Human nature, that's all. Left unchecked, good intentions get twisted into something unwholesome. Vigilance and reason is our defense.

Religion isn't evil, people who pervert it are.
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Old 07-17-2011, 18:43   #15
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I posted something here, but later realized it was severely off topic and again filled the forum with unnecessarry background information about my life. This was something I tried hard to avoid a few posts back, and I realized my hypocrisy. Now this post stands as a permanent monument to my hypocrisy.

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