Honor Killing, Tulay Goren

[SF-TX]

Another honor killing that has nothing to with Islam.

Missing girl was victim of honour killing, claims mother

By Lucy Ballinger
Last updated at 9:31 PM on 08th October 2009


'Honour killing' victim: Tulay Goren, 15, a Kurdish Turk from Woodford Green, East London

A mother broke a ten-year silence to claim her teenage daughter was murdered in an 'honour killing', a court heard yesterday.

Tulay Goren, 15, was allegedly killed by her father and buried in his garden after he learnt she was in a sexual relationship with a man twice her age.

Mehmet Goren, 49, with the help of at least one of his brothers, then allegedly dug up her remains in Woodford Green, East London, and disposed of them a week later. Her body has never been found.

Tulay's mother Hanim lived with the dark family secret and at first misled police because she was scared for her safety, said Jonathan Laidlaw, QC, prosecuting.

Tulay's father and his brothers Ali, 55, and Cuma Goren, 42, both of Walthamstow, East London, yesterday appeared at the Old Bailey accused of the schoolgirl's murder on January 7, 1999, and the attempted murder of her boyfriend Halil Unal, now 41. All three deny both charges.

Tulay was living with Mr Unal and had even tried to marry him, but was too young.

But after losing her virginity Tulay was seen as a 'valueless commodity', the court heard.

Her father and uncles, who came to Britain as political refugees from Turkey in the early 1990s, are alleged to have decided in a 'family council' to kill the pair.

Mr Unal was a Turkish Sunni Muslim but the Gorens were from the Alevi branch of the faith and an Alevi-Sunni relationship 'would not have been tolerated', jurors heard.

Mr Laidlaw said: 'Tulay's father was outraged and was filled with a sense that his reputation and that of his family had been destroyed.'

The court heard how Tulay was taken back to the family home the day before she went missing.

It is alleged Ali Goren told Mr Unal in a phone call: 'Mehmet will either return her to you or he will kill her. Who else would want her after what has happened?'

The next day, part-time fish and chip shop worker Mehmet sent his wife and their other children to his brother's house in Walthamstow.

He allegedly told his eight-year-old son to kiss Tulay goodbye as it would be 'the last time he would see her'.
Enlarge An artist's impression of (left to right) Ali, Cuma and Tulay's father Mehmet Goren during this week's trial

When his wife returned the next day, Mehmet said Tulay had run away.

Mrs Goren said he claimed a deep cut and scratch marks on his hand were from 'slipping on a banana skin'.

It is alleged Mehmet had worked on the garden, which resembled a 'ploughed field', for the first time since they moved in.

The washing line was missing and Mehmet admitted taking it to capture Tulay, the court heard.

Two kitchen knives were missing, and Mehmet had washed a shirt for the first time in his marriage - the one from the day before, it is claimed.

Mrs Goren alleged Mehmet warned their marriage would be over if she ever mentioned Tulay's name again, telling her: 'Our children are no longer four children. From now on we only have three children.'

A week later Mrs Goren was again sent away. It is claimed that when she returned the next day the back garden looked like it had been dug up again, the patio was soaked with water and bin bags were missing.

A week later, jurors heard, Mehmet attacked Mr Unal with an axe. He was convicted of wounding with intent to cause grievous bodily harm in August 2000.

Around the time of the axe attack, a handwritten note was found in which Tulay claimed to have been kidnapped by a friend of Mr Unal.

Mr Laidlaw said Tulay was forced to write the note before her death to disrupt the inevitable police investigation.

The hearing continues.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...r-killing.html

Commentary by Robert Spencer:

After she lost her virginity she was viewed as a "valueless commodity." I have many times spoken about how Islam relegates women to the status of commodities, and here is proof. And of course the usual chorus of Islamic apologists will appear to assure us that honor killing has nothing to do with Islam and is a cultural practice followed by a wide variety of peoples -- and yet Muslim girls keep getting killed in disproportionate numbers. No one, of course, dares to confront the root of the problem by pointing out such inconvenient truths as the fact that a manual of Islamic law certified by Al-Azhar as a reliable guide to Sunni orthodoxy says that "retaliation is obligatory against anyone who kills a human being purely intentionally and without right." However, "not subject to retaliation" is "a father or mother (or their fathers or mothers) for killing their offspring, or offspring's offspring." ('Umdat al-Salik o1.1-2).{WM has pointed this out in previous posts}

In other words, someone who kills his child incurs no legal penalty under Islamic law. In accord with this, in 2003 the Jordanian Parliament voted down on Islamic grounds a provision designed to stiffen penalties for honor killings. Al-Jazeera reported that "Islamists and conservatives said the laws violated religious traditions and would destroy families and values."

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2009/10/uk...r-killing.html

[The Reaper]

Religion of Peace, indeed.

TR

[HOLLiS]

Maybe more like the religion of Pieces (of human).


If a person goes hunting, during hunting season but does not buy a licenses or tag and kills a game animal, their punishment will be greater than a person who commits murder (honor killing) under sharia law.

[greenberetTFS]

The only problem with stories like this is that the American MSM won't touch it with a ten foot pole,because it would offend the Muslims and they wouldn't dare do that.....

Big Teddy

[akv]

All of these honor killings are barbaric and such a tragic waste. It certainly seems the vast majority of instances come from Muslim communities, Is it possible however this is actually just a feature of Middle Eastern Culture? In my attempt to understand the hows and whys of this I came across accounts of honor killings among the Druze communities in Israel and Palestinian Christians as well.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle1489930.ece

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programme...nt/4522465.stm

[T-Rock]

“Most Muslim apologists and also some gullible westerners want to argue that the ‘so called “honor killing” is not Islamic and it’s a tribal/cultural vice.’ This statement is utterly untrue and only a wish full covers up.” -Syed Kamran Mirza-

Quran- 4:15 “If any of your women are guilty of lewdness, take the evidence of four (reliable) witness from amongst you against them; if they testify, confine them to houses until death do claim them. Or God ordain for them some (other) way.”


Sahi Muslim No. 4206:
“A woman came to the prophet and asked for purification by seeking punishment. He told her to go away and seek God’s forgiveness. She persisted four times and admitted she was pregnant. He told her to wait until she had given birth. Then he said that the Muslim community should wait until she had weaned her child. When the day arrived for the child to take solid food, Muhammad handed the child over to the community. And when he had given command over her and she was put in a hole up to her breast, he ordered the people to stone her. Khalid b. al-Walid came forward with a stone which he threw at her head, and when the blood spurted on her face he cursed her.”

More here:
http://www.islam-watch.org/SyedKamra...or_killing.htm

[SF-TX]

Originally Posted by akv

All of these honor killings are barbaric and such a tragic waste. It certainly seems the vast majority of instances come from Muslim communities, Is it possible however this is actually just a feature of Middle Eastern Culture? In my attempt to understand the hows and whys of this I came across accounts of honor killings among the Druze communities in Israel and Palestinian Christians as well.

AKV,

Are you really trying to support your premise that honor killing is culturally motivated instead of religious with the two articles you referenced? Did you actually read the first article?

From the first article in the Times:

The first phase of the competition was a bikini contest. Ms Fares knew that parading in her red two-piece could be considered controversial in the Druze community, whose religion is an offshoot of Islam.

Her participation in the pageant even raised the judges’ eyebrows. “They were very surprised when they found out I was Druze. They asked me if it would be a problem for me to be in the contest. I told them ‘no’, that my whole family supported me,” Ms Fares said.

The second article discusses the honor killing of one Christian woman and two Muslim women. Hardly compelling evidence to suggest honor killings are cultural.