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Old 05-19-2009, 15:17   #1
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Question Anti-Air Defense What does SF do against such a threat?

I've been browsing the forums quite extensively during my free time. (when not doing PT etc.) and something I've found to be interesting, is I haven't found a single bit of info on how ODAs respond to Aerial threats, even though there have been several documented (so I've been told) occasions of which Enemy Aircraft were a serious risk. (Taking airfields, "sneaking" into enemy installations with Air Assets, etc.)

I don't know if this should go into 18B thread, (since 18B are the experts in anything that shoots a projectile) or if it's a general all-around kind of thing ODAs share the task of defeating.

Have you ever had to go against aerial threats?

I've read many many stories posted by the (respectfully) QPs on this board, however, none that mention anything related to aerial threats etc. Whether it be Scout Helicopters, or Soviet type Aircraft (Hind) working aerial patrols etc.

Is there anyone on an ODA who's trained to deal with the threat of Aircraft? (Who's never been ADA prior to going SF)

I don't imagine enemy aircraft being too great of a threat, but it's still a threat none the less. (Considering the fact in the "Air War" American Aircraft destroyed 40% of Saddams ground combat forces, including Republican Guard units, and multiple Static Defenses)

If it's not OPSEC, what do you QPs typically do against Aircraft when they are known to be in the area, and/or known to be headed your way? Do you typically have the means to destroy them? Or do you RLHFYL?

I've just noticed through my studies of SF, and other SOF forces, is that I can't find very much (with exception to Navy SEAL teams who pack a few Stingers nearby from time to time) info on how SOF Ground Forces deal with Aerial Threats, if at all?

There have been several occations of which Enemy Air Assault troops have been deployed against SOF ground forces, including QPs.

It just puzzles me why the threat of Aircraft has never been discussed before. Is it a threat and ODA typically "Ignores" ? or is it "Too small of a threat"?

I know in todays present conflict, Insurgents don't exactly have very much aerial assets to speak of, (if at all) but what about in other AOs? Like in Africa, where multiple countries (that are known to have had SF presence from time to time) have rather decent sized stock piles of Soviet made AH/UHs?

(My last post was on 20090412 it's 20090519 more than 30 days have elapsed since my last post )
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Old 05-19-2009, 16:01   #2
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Old 05-19-2009, 16:54   #3
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That might be because the only SF soldiers (that I know of) that have been killed or wounded by aircraft (other than US Air Force) is zero.

Trust me, if SF went head to head with a "serious" air threat they'd be packing some anti-air "heat". (it take about 30 seconds of training to use a shoulder fired SAM)

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Old 05-19-2009, 17:56   #4
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(it take about 30 seconds of training to use a shoulder fired SAM)

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Going to simulator was a great filler for the training schedule for an afternoon...(could only do it like once or twice a year or it would draw attention..) Go there , get a quick refresher class (or not) and start shooting down pretend airplanes. It would get boring after about an hour or two and then, since we were training to standard and not to time would head home early...LOL
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It takes about 30 seconds of training to use a shoulder fired SAM./quote/TS

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Old 05-19-2009, 19:38   #6
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It takes about 5 min to translate the cyrilic alphabet on the soviet weapons the first time.. The smart 18B's made notes, so the next time took 30 secs to identify the "safe" and "fire" positions for the rest of the team.

Always remember to pack the BFH device when you work on Soviet weapon systems.
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Going to simulator was a great filler for the training schedule for an afternoon...(could only do it like once or twice a year or it would draw attention..) Go there , get a quick refresher class (or not) and start shooting down pretend airplanes. It would get boring after about an hour or two and then, since we were training to standard and not to time would head home early...LOL
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