SEAL O's in SAGE?

Marvin Blank · 12-23-2008, 09:39

A buddy of mine who is finishing up the SEAL Q (post Buds, pre SUT) just informed me that his officers (SEAL officers typically finish a class behind the guys they went to BUDS with, due to a slightly longer training pipeline) are going to SAGE? He seemed prtty sure about it.....any of you guys dialed into SWC know anything about it? If it is true, will it be a shortened version, a la the foreign officers currently doing it? Or will it be a complete Robin Sage, from start to finish? Thanks.

Amato · 12-24-2008, 12:36

I can only speak for when I went but we had SEAL O's observing when we attending meetings with the local leaders, during sage. They just stayed in the back round in civis.

peepee1 · 01-24-2009, 02:21

I am currently in Delta company, starting SUT in 9 Feb. Myself along with aout 30 others were assigned to Sage detail as "Gs" and OPFOR. In my group, the two SEAL Os were attached with us (They were Gs along with us). Navy Spec Warfare Center is dabbling in different things with their Os to push their ground training along... In my opinion, being Gs wasnt the place for that but they did get a chance to see how things go. They were good dudes and played the game but more than likely they wont be coming back.... at least in the role as a G. They were integrated into some mission planning roles and also led several raids with the assistance of SWC students/ AKA Americans. Their Lt Commander hung out nearby in a SAFE House and checked in periodically to observe and gain some insight as well. These two individuals were strictly an experimentation. HTH. PP

Oh yeah... NSWC is also contemplating sending some enlisted dudes in their pipeline to SUT/CST.

Basenshukai · 01-24-2009, 03:12

Just got word that SEAL O's are going to attend the SUT phase; don't know when they will begin. But, I would imagine that the Ranger Course is the best venue for what they are trying to accomplish (more time available to learn the ground warfare skills that they need).

peepee1 · 01-25-2009, 10:54

They did say that they realize they are light years behind SF in that realm and NSWC is trying to remedy this. Makes sense.

Basenshukai · 03-06-2009, 08:53

Several Seal O's finished their stint at SUT and did not do well. Well, one did pretty good. The rest did not care about the training, did not listen to instructions from the cadre and essentially acted as if this training didn't really matter to them. It's a shame. I expected better from them. In fact, I expected to see the normal range of performance that you see in any group of trainees - some do well and some don't do as well. But, sadly, as a group, they really sucked. And, I guarantee that it was not because they are incapable. I'm sure that if they had really cared about the training here, they would have done great. But, they simply showed that they didn't care. I've seen international students do better. It really made me shake my head when I got the instructors' feed back yesterday.

The Old Guy · 03-19-2009, 09:33

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Originally Posted by Basenshukai

Just got word that SEAL O's are going to attend the SUT phase; don't know when they will begin. But, I would imagine that the Ranger Course is the best venue for what they are trying to accomplish (more time available to learn the ground warfare skills that they need).

Ranger school is saved for mid-grade NCOs having problems (mostly discipline) on the teams. It is kind of a gut check thing for them, how bad do you wish to be here.

Renegade · 02-03-2012, 10:51

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Originally Posted by Basenshukai

Just got word that SEAL O's are going to attend the SUT phase; don't know when they will begin. But, I would imagine that the Ranger Course is the best venue for what they are trying to accomplish (more time available to learn the ground warfare skills that they need).

Basenshukai

Sir I attended Ranger School with class 5-98 and we had a couple of Seal Os with us then. When asked why they were there one of them said their commander wanted all of his Os to attend Ranger prior to them receiving their Trident.

One of them got caught in the now infamous Wal-mart scandal and was dropped from the course. The other was in my squad and pretty squared away.

Respectfully

scooter · 02-03-2012, 13:40

I've never heard of the Infamous Walmart Scandal....

What happened?