More air terrorism and situational awareness

[Ghostrider]

Very interesting article.
http://womenswallstreet.com/WWS/arti...&articleid=711

[Sacamuelas]

agreed...

[CPTAUSRET]

Disturbing, to say the least!

Terry

[Solid]

It would be interesting to know if there were 'dry runs' for the technique used for 9/11. In Europe I believe (based on treatment of passengers) that congregation in aisles, lavatory, or galley areas is forbidden.
It occured to me that had the writer or her husband been affilitated with the group, they may have been able to obtain the locations of the air marshals on their flight simply because they were not arabic and/or travelling with a child.
Just thoughts.
What would be the best way to act in this situation?

Thank you,

Solid

[QRQ 30]

Very interesting and worth following up on. Some of our most effective security comes from the vigilance of passengers.

OTOH they may have been someway connected and were visiting the head to snort from the bottle or shoot the juice.

Either way, it pays to be vigilant.

[The Reaper]

1. Be alert and aware at all times.

2. Have a plan.

3. Have at least one alternate plan for when the first one falls apart. Remember PACE.

4. Do not fly in, through, or out of Detroit or the area if travelling with Middle Eastern Muslims makes you nervous. Most of them are fine citizens, but it only takes one to kill you. Too much stress is bad, too. Find an alternate route or means of travel.

5. We are all going to die. Odds are high that any plane hijacked by Muslims in the U.S. today is going to result in the deaths of all on board, regardless of what the hijackers say. Might as well grab whatever weapons are at hand, like that in-flight magazine, roll it up, and get busy defending the cockpit and kicking ass till the end. Die on your feet, not on your knees.

6. PC and COO will be the death of this country. 19 hijackers, all Middle-Eastern Muslims (majority Saudi) hijack four planes and kill 3,000 people, mostly Americans. Why are we detail searching elderly black women, Medal of Honor recipients, and AD service members boarding aircraft while ignoring people meeting the description of the only suspects ever to do this?

The pilot can refuse boarding of any passenger he does not like, and refuse to take off at his discretion. The worst that can happen is he could be fired. Why would he embark these passengers and depart, or not claim an in-flight issue to land short of the final destination? Sounds like our TSA Director is afraid of criticism and has transmitted that to the air crew and LEOs.

Just a few random thoughts.

TR

[Bill Harsey]

I read the link. Good thinkng TR. Hot coffee in the galley may be useful weapon too if you can get to it.

[Solid]

The rolled up magazine trick might catch them by surprise. I hate feeling inadequate- what happens if no one can administer first aid on a plane, for example? Baden Powell- Be Prepared.

Solid

[Guy]

Call it discrimination all you want too!

There is no way in "HELL"!

I would let 14 Arab looking/speaking individuals lolly-gag around an aircraft while in flight. As much as I don't like too...I still remember 9/11.

The sheer anxiety of watching that situation develope, would have made me tell them..."Keep your ass in your seat"!

[Bravo1-3]

Originally posted by The Reaper
Remember PACE.

Sir, I am rusty. Could you elaborate on PACE?

Every time I fly, I scope out the layout of the cabin. If for no other reason than to make myself more comfortable I spend a few minutes doing the following:

1. I identify the location of the galley. A face full of hot coffee, followed by getting struck by the coffee pot, then slashed by the broken remains of the coffee pot is probably more than most people could stand.

2. The serving carts are ideal for barricading aisles, and on smaller planes they can be used for securing the head.

3. I always wear a belt with a heavy buckle for use as a Sap or Morning Star.

4. If all else fails, I have a hand full of keys.

5. I envision how I would go about making my way forward quickly in a threat environment. More of a matter of climbing over seats to get around bad guys while the other passengers deal with the bad guys. I'm heading for that cockpit door and dealing with whatever is up there.

TR is correct, everyone is going to die some day, and I'd rather die fighting for my life than begging for it. Post 9/11, you've only got one real choice: Take back the plane or end up in a smoking hole somewhere. Fuck that, they're not taking me with them, I'm taking them with me.

[Guy]

B13

Primary
Alternate
Contingency
Emergency

[NousDefionsDoc]

PC and COO will be the death of this country.

Roger dodger.

[Huey14]

Janes' All The Worlds Aircraft often has cabin layouts of the major A/C types. A300, 737, et el.

Perhaps if one were to go to the library they could familerise themselves with the layout before getting on board.

[The Reaper]

PACE is having three contingency plans. Originally used for our commo planning.

Seatback evacuation card has all of the layout data. Take one, if you fly a lot. Most of the online reservation sites let you pick your seat assignments, that has a diagram as well.

Count rows to exits, and I try to sit on the aisle, exit row if available. Keep an eye on people gathering, and moving toward the front of the plane.

Surefire 6P is great emergency evac gear, just the right size to fill my fist, and blinding to the eyes if it is not broad daylight. I have the heavy belt as well, and a few other items. Molon Labe!

TR

[Air.177]

Surefire lights are good stuff, so is a full Surefire spares carrier on a Lanyard. TSA folks in Colorado springs asked me why I had so many flashlights.

Then they gave me shit about the cigars I was carrying and we almost went rounds.