11-30-2008, 19:39
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Ideas for Fixed Blade
Currently seeking a fixed blade for civilian carry.
I carry a Benchmade auto folder and have a CRKT M60 in the car (was cheap and readily available) both of which I got when overseas. I also carry an inexpensive Gerber folder.
Id like to take the Benchmade out of service for personal reasons (I really like this little knife), and since the CRKT is an OIF model Id like to retire it too not to mention the fact I never really did like it that much other than it was heavy, felt good in my hand, and could reach a bad guys diagphram in a worse case scenario. It had a terrible sheath.
I have a Gerber LMF II on the way to carry on my IBA, and Im saving up to purchase the Green Beret knife by Chris Reeves also for field use.
Those have been easy choices.
Whats been difficult is to find a good fixed blade for out in the civilain sector.
I have always been fond of Bowie knives and used to have a cheap model years ago. Im thinking of getting something like that again but not sure it quite fits the bill.
Currently Im looking at the Bark River vest pocket bowie. They can be had for around 170 - 230 depending. Im not very familiar with this brand.
Qualities Im seeking would include:
Nice finish ie satin not subued or black.
Full tang with pommel ie window breaker
Able to cut through metal
Blade at or just under 6"
Leather sheath
Able to reach an aorta
Good price
Looking for any suggestions as I know you guys know your knives well-
Thanks
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11-30-2008, 19:53
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Bladesmith to the Quiet Professionals
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I could be a little biased  ...
...but really encourage those with any ideas to jump in, there is no right or wrong in responding with what you recommend. Many individual makers and companies doing good stuff out there.
Be sure to check out Ken Brock and Spartan Blades too.
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11-30-2008, 20:28
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill Harsey
I could be a little biased  ...
...but really encourage those with any ideas to jump in, there is no right or wrong in responding with what you recommend. Many individual makers and companies doing good stuff out there.
Be sure to check out Ken Brock and Spartan Blades too.
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Bill
Please feel free to comment!
I did look at the Spartan knives and was impressed with them. But their price is at the top of what Id spend for a knife and that kind of money will go to the Reeves knife.
Ken Brock;s stuff is very interesting....
What do you think of Bark RIver for an off the shelf knife?
Thanks
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11-30-2008, 22:14
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I'm a big fan of Harsey and Strider blades.
I think the PS.com blade or the Strider SAL or DB-L would meet your needs.
Just my .02 cents YMMV.
Just remember "buy nice or buy twice".
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11-30-2008, 23:32
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Smokin Joe
I'm a big fan of Harsey and Strider blades.
I think the PS.com blade or the Strider SAL or DB-L would meet your needs.
Just my .02 cents YMMV.
Just remember "buy nice or buy twice".
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Joe
Both good looking knives. Thanks for the suggestion.
As far as tactical blades go Ive already decided on the Green Beret or Pacific blade by Chris Reeves.
Now Im trying to decide on a fixed blade for the street.
Ive looked at the PS.com blade which is obviously a well thought out and made knife. I dont use shackles though.
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12-01-2008, 11:07
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You would not go wrong with the Bark River.
I own a couple myself, great knives. Mike, the owner of Bark River is very down to earth and a good guy.
Obviously, the Reeves/Harsey line is quite awesome, but if you want something different, BRKT is not a bad choice.
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12-01-2008, 14:09
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ccrn
Full tang with pommel ie window breaker
Able to cut through metal
Blade at or just under 6"
Able to reach an aorta
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This sounds kinda urban tactical??
With a 6" blade,, in most states that would qualify as concealed carry..
Your bio says ARNG,, Arkansas?? Do you have/need a CCW??
For RN & EMT work maybe something like the:
S&W 1st Response
Buck NRC
NRS Pilot
Gerber Hinderer Rescue
Boker Cop Tool
They are sooo ugly,, but they do the job asked..
The above mentioned knives are great pieces of art that do just about whatever you may want, but for EDC I prefer something that 1)isn't gonna get confiscated and 2)isn't going to make me cry if it's stolen or lost..
I should mention,, as a certified FOG,, my hi-speed days are behind me..
And that's my $00.0002
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12-01-2008, 14:16
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I agree, you need to consider the implications of carrying a large knife for social work.
IMHO, judges and juries tend to view an attack or homicide by knife as more sinister and brutal than a similar crime with a firearm.
Packing a big knife as a weapon can also lead to CCW issues as well.
Not a big fan of this concept in urban areas. Maybe out in the boonies, but then why not pack a firearm for self-defense?
Just my .02, YMMV.
TR
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12-01-2008, 14:38
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Check out the Benchmade Nimravus. Special deals available from Benchmade and currently available at the FBNC MCSS. It's not in the same league as some of the others (certainly not a direct competitor for my Yarborough) but it will do all you're asking and I'm not worried about replacement costs if something happens to it. (Having "lost" a Randall 17 in Bolivia many years ago, I don't buy a lot of high end knives any more.) Just another "data point".
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12-01-2008, 14:57
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JJ
ARNG for Army National Guard. Im an Infantryman in a line unit. I have a CCW in my state and carry daily (.45 USPc). I have a small Gerber rescue type knife for rescue of which I do very little.
Urban tactical is almost exactlyt right. Under 6 inches would need to be a necessity for the reasons you stated above. If they made the Harsey knife in civilian dress it would be what Id buy, maybe with a few mods-
Sir
I agree completely. I carry a firearm for self defense, and a pocket knife.
I have a larger fixed blade in my car and only rarely carry it when Im not able to carry a firearm and Im at a gas station etc. Then Ill stick it in my waste band.
I cant carry a firearm to work as they are not allowed on the premisis let alone in one of the buildings thus the gun is at home locked in a safe. I cannot in good conscience leave it in the car. Usually Ill plan around this so I do not have to stop for gas etc to or from work. Occasionaly Ill need to get gas or stop at the store on the way home late at night.
I have a crowbar in the trunk for roadside rescue if I happen across an accident.
Id like to replace the CRKT M60 with something about the same size and weight but with a more civil look. Its there for protection, self rescue, and because I like it.
It would also be used in the woods occasionaly.
There will be no attacks on my behalf, only self defense in a worse case last resort scenario.
Thank you Sir for your thoughts-
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12-01-2008, 15:39
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Here is one of mine coming out from Boker, http://www.boker.de/index.php?c=125,,&a=120545&p=&pp=0
I do not know how to post the pic and description so you'll have to clicky on the above link. Also do not know when they are ready for delivery, one of the things I'll probably learn at SHOT Show.
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12-01-2008, 16:07
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As the Devil's Advocate, reiterating a bit of TR's comment:
I think you ought to think hard about the implications of carrying such a knife in urban settings, especially as you already carry a pistol and another knife. As much as it pains me to have to, I often try to think in terms of 'what's a jury going to think?' That is, what convincing argument can you make to twelve sheeple if you're on trial (for your house and car, or for your freedom) after using your 'able to reach an aorta' fixed blade to lethal result?
I can hear the opposing attorney now: 'Mr. Ccrn. Seeing as how you were already carrying not one but two deadly weapons, why did you see the need to carry a third, a vicious knife? I see that all of the practical reasons for carrying a knife were well fulfilled by the pocketknife you carry; and any self-defense reasoning is obviated by the .45 you had with you. Why another huge knife? You were just looking for a fight, weren't you? You just wanted a chance to stab somebody, didn't you?'
Exaggeration aside, I wouldn't put it past a lawyer to say something just like that, and for a jury to believe it. You come off looking like a Rambo, and the mother of the criminal you stabbed comes up and sobs and tells a story about how her little boy loved to play baseball and hug puppies. If your day-to-day needs are covered by your folder, and self-defense needs by your pistol, is it worth risking your freedom to carry a six-inch fixed blade?
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12-01-2008, 20:19
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DanUCSB,
Good legal argument and points are taken but the guys just looking for a knife. I thought that was still legal in this country, to some degree, at least for a little while longer.
I also thought the right of self defense to protect ones life or the life of another was a right for citizens of this country unless I've missed a news day or two and this has all changed.
To the best of my knowledge this right has not been restricted to a particular instrument or tool and yes I'm quite aware that we surrender this right to carry said article in many places, like onboard commercial aircraft or in many of our public buildings.
Justification of use is another issue. You bet the law, once engaged, is a tough entanglement and roll of the dice with no guaranteed results.
Personally I have never advocated the use of a knife for general use self defense because without extensive training the tool could easily be turned against the person trying to protect their own life.
This is a whole different crowd around here and I think they can make their own minds up about what they are comfortable carrying on their persons and for what reasons.
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12-01-2008, 20:20
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill Harsey
Here is one of mine coming out from Boker, http://www.boker.de/index.php?c=125,,&a=120545&p=&pp=0
I do not know how to post the pic and description so you'll have to clicky on the above link. Also do not know when they are ready for delivery, one of the things I'll probably learn at SHOT Show.
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Damn...
Another knife Ill have to save up for. I came here seeking just one more.
How does that happen?
Dan
Per above explanation I dont ever plan on carrying all three. I carry the USPc and pocket knife for daily carry.
The larger knife will stay in the car for defense and egress purposes, only to be carried briefly when I am not carrying a pistol and pocket knife ie work commute.
Your points are very worthy however and on my mind-
Thank you
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