04-20-2004, 15:28
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Camp Mackall
You new guys have it made.
This is what the SFQC area of Camp Mackall used to look like in the early '80s, and I have on good authority, was a pic of the last HARD class.
The tarpaper shacks were the old structures, the tin huts were relatively new then. We stayed in both.
Only a couple of buildings from that era out there now.
For the old guys, this was taken from the end of mess hall pole barn area back towards the main drag.
For the newbies, this would have been roughly at the westernmost end of the classroom trailers looking south across the SFAS hut area towards the million dollar latrine (now gone and replaced by a 5 million dollar latrine).
TR
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04-20-2004, 15:31
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This is what the area, not from the same perspective, looks like now.
Ain't modern progress (and new $) grand.
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04-20-2004, 16:03
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WOW!!!
That is incredible!!! I smiled big at the first picture...but my jaw dropped at the second!
A totally different camp to be certain. Part of the course though (for me) was the "lack of facilities"...I actually enjoyed that portion of it.
I see that Doc Keaton's meatwagon is still in (what looks to be) the same place 
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04-20-2004, 16:12
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Re: WOW!!!
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Originally posted by Eagle5US
That is incredible!!! I smiled big at the first picture...but my jaw dropped at the second!
A totally different camp to be certain. Part of the course though (for me) was the "lack of facilities"...I actually enjoyed that portion of it.
I see that Doc Keaton's meatwagon is still in (what looks to be) the same place
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That, and the Quonset looking hut behind it, are the oldest remaining buildings, and IIRC, were there then.
Doc K. is still there as well, and is ornery as ever.
The big brick building is one of the new structures, and is one of the new latrines.
No more 30 gallon hot water heater, four sinks, and four gang toilets. "Hey, man, pass me the paper when you are done with it, please."
TR
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04-20-2004, 16:52
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Why did they change the accomadations?
Thank you,
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04-20-2004, 17:17
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Why did they change the accomadations?
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04-20-2004, 17:24
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Why did they change the accomadations?
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Because they could.
And soldiers are not made from the strong stuff they used to be.
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04-20-2004, 17:29
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Camp Mackall, Phase One, late Jan 1983.
The longest time I've ever gone "without" a shower....
Such fond memories...
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04-20-2004, 17:37
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I hope the included x-boxes, pay-per-view porn, a cooler and a big screen TV in each building...
This may sound presumptuous, but wasn't SF meant to be less luxurious than the other MOSs?
A Che quote springs to mind about how training conditions should ideally mirror conditions of reality, but I am away from my library of UW literature so I can't verify.
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04-20-2004, 19:34
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Those tarpaper shacks make the old WWII Harmony Church barracks look like 5 Star accommodations. Were they originally covered in tarpaper, or were they wooden slats with screening on the inside? We had a few old abandoned buildings like that near Taylor Creek DZ on Ft Stewart.
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04-20-2004, 19:48
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Quote:
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Those tarpaper shacks make the old WWII Harmony Church barracks look like 5 Star accommodations. Were they originally covered in tarpaper, or were they wooden slats with screening on the inside? We had a few old abandoned buildings like that near Taylor Creek DZ on Ft Stewart.
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They were framed, sheathed with rough lumber, then weather proofed with tarpaper, like a barn. No insulation. only ventilation was small screened windows up high and open doors.
In the tin huts, when it rained hard, it sounded like you were inside a drum during a solo.
No worries, you were generally indoors there about 3-4 hours per night, when you were not in the field.
TR
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