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Originally Posted by Roguish Lawyer
Your argument seems to be that because the South's attempt to secede initially was peaceful, and the North started the armed hostilities, there was no insurgency. I don't know if that matters. There certainly was an attempt to overthrow the government, and the fact that the regime did not allow a fait accompli does not necessarily mean you can't call this an insurgency. I certainly don't think the fact that the South sought to secede rather than overthrow the federal government in its entirety means there was no insurgency -- was/is there a Kurdish insurgency in Iraq/Turkey/Iran?
On the other hand, one might argue that an insurgency must be a movement from within a state, and that the War Between the States was exactly that -- a war between separate, sovereign groups of states, not an attempt to overthrow a state from within.
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I never said that the North initiated armed hostilities. Pretty clearly, that was done by the South at Fort Sumter. I said that the North invaded the South.
IMHO, Taiwan is a sovereign state. Any attempt at annexation or invasion by the Red Chinese is an external threat and would be war. If an irregular force rose up within Taiwan to overthrow the government, that would be insurgency. If the Northern half of Taiwan wanted to secede and used their militia forces to try to do so, that would be civil war.
Define the Korean War.
The Vietnam conflict? As defined by the VC? As defined by the NVA? From the RVN viewpoint?
TR
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