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Originally Posted by Greenhat
No chance that Indonesia might have changed in the last few years?
Btw, as a New Yorker, I've witnessed Police Officers beating civilians, forcing civilians off the road, and seen side mirrors broken by garbage trucks so that they can move unimpeded. I'm also aware (although I did not witness it) of Police Officers killing innocent civilians.
Shall we call the government of New York a repressive one?
And since you are so concerned with repressive governments, can you tell me what the US Government was under Abraham Lincoln? How about FDR?
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Anytime the “people” live in fear of their own “military” that would mean they have a repressive government. The people of Indonesia are scared shitless of the Indonesian military, and we’re not talking isolated incidents.
I also said a “few” years not 60 or 200 years. I agree that a country can change, but over the course of decades and generations, not a “few” years. You and I both know one cannot research Indonesia, (today) without seeing the phrase “endemic corruption” somewhere in Indonesia’s description. The members reading this need not agree with my views but do a little of their own research, I've little doubt of what they will find.
Let’s not split hairs you also know we (United States) will hold our military and law enforcement accountable for their actions, please don’t compare us to other 5th world countries. Dick Durbin already did that and found it was not a good idea.
BTW how does the 4th most populated country in the world rank so low on the global economic scale? Were they also savaged by the western civilizations or might it be because of internal systemic corruption? (88 percent moslem, imagine that.)