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Originally Posted by The Reaper
No, they are tacit supporters, enablers, and apologists.
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I'm sure the President of Indonesia will be interested to hear your opinion of him.
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Till I see more Muslims taking a stronger stand against the terrorists, I remain unsure that is the case.
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Might it be that they are taking a strong stand? Just the media isn't reporting it? After the London bombing, Indonesia issued a very strong statement. It wasn't reported on any US news outlet. Why is that?
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Sorry, I am not responsible for the actions of Europeans before our country was founded. I am responsible for ensuring that my kids are not brutally butchered by a Islamic lunatic who believes it when his Islamic religious advisor tells him (and all of his Islamic congregation) that killing infidels (like my kids) is Allah's will and a sure route to Islamic Heaven. When other Moslems look the other way, make excuses, or blame the Jews, rather than facing reality and excommunicating the Moslem religious leaders responsible, they are the enemy.
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As I understand it, Islam doesn't have a means of excommunicating anyone.
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So by your logic, the German people were not responsible for the actions of the Nazis because they didn't actually stuff anyone into the ovens themselves?
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Not even close. The German people supported and actively fought for a government that they accepted (even if it wasn't elected). However, that is not true of most of Islam (exceptions being Afghanistan under the Taliban, Iraq under Hussein, Syria, and Iran). The majority of Islam is not supporting such actions.
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I disagree. It is a huge task, but not impossible. The Moslems need to get their heads out of their asses and their religious leaders under control, or that is exactly what is going to happen, which benefits no one but the same Wahabi idiots who started this.
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So, you would go to war with 1.4 billion people over the actions of a few thousand?
Doesn't exactly demonstrate very good target selection choice, does it? And makes it pretty hard to be a "force multiplier", don't you think?
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Some of these troops are supporting us. Most are only reluctantly participating, like the Pakistanis, because their government forces them to. Go to those same countries, and look at the polls.
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Kind of like the polls that said Kerry would win the Presidency? Polls get the results the pollsters want. And if they are so reluctant, how come they are getting such significant results?
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The majority of their populations believe that the US got what it deserved on 9/11, or that Islamic terrorists were not responsible. Name the only nations to recognize Afghanistan under the Taliban. Where are the fatwas against OBL and the other terrorists?
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At least twice fatwas have been issued against the terrorists. Again, not a whole lot of coverage in the US.
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Why are the majority of Moslem leaders not standing up every day on camera and saying that anyone with the blood of innocents on his hands will never be allowed to enter Heaven?
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Could it be because the cameras aren't interested in showing that?
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We can use them to the extent they will actually cooperate. If you think they are willing allies, I think you are mistaken.
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Hmmmm.... unwilling but they get results... interesting...
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I believe that OBL is in Pakistan and that the Pak government knows where he is.
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I think OBL is probably dead. Really isn't material, is it?
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IMHO, most of those "sheepdogs" that you cite would rather be killing Americans than AQ and Taliban.
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They outnumber our forces 6 or 7 to 1. With very competent troops. If they would rather, I think they would be.
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The Japanese and German people who were farmers and businessmen during the early 1940s were treated as our enemies just like their leaders till they were defeated. Then they were treated decently as fellow citizens again. Did Sherman fail to burn and sack property in the South held by Union sympathizers? They are enablers and have to be shown the error of their ways.
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We can demonstrate very easily how farmers and businessmen in Japan and Germany provided support to the Wehrmacht and IJN. Can you demonstrate how a farmer in Malaysia provides support to an Islamist terrorist?
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GH, why don't you take a look at the scum who are currently deliberately killing innocents around the world on a massive scale in their God's name and tell me what their religion is?
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Which scum is that? FARC? RIRA?
All terrorists are scum. And all of them do it for power. For the Islamists, religion is an excuse. Just as it was/is for the IRA.
Shall we condemn all Catholics as enablers of the IRA?
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Bear in mind that Jews, Moslems, and Christians are all people of the book and should be brothers.
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Maybe you should bear that in mind when you are thinking about that 75%.
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We are not at war with a religion, but we are in a fight for our lives with a very large group of dedicated people bent on the absolute destruction of the West, and they all happen to be Moslems.
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Would it make you feel better if they were Catholics? Then you could call for the destruction of the terrorists without condemning their religion as well, couldn't you?
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This fight is not going to be over till we kill every one of them who wishes us harm, they kill us, or they decide that what they are doing is wrong and quit.
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I agree. The question is how well we bother to identify those who wish us harm. You seem intent on condemning large numbers for no reason other than their religion, not because they wish us any harm.
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The COA selected is up to them.
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Is it? We have no options?