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Alright I will definatly check them out, and thanks for the advice. I am still interested in looking for a pack and I guess at this point I am really interested in the SCOUT. It seems like something I can use for other things also, other than just the hiking. It may sound weird but I tend to travel a lot and I like to use bakpacks as a form of carry on bags, and I am also going to South Carolina, than to New Hampshire and Massachusets and it will be the whole camping/ hiking thing again. So I think the SCOUT right now is the best option.
thanks for readin,
Chris
Oh and TR I won't run to much with the extra weight and i'll loose the headphones and Ipod. thanks again to everyone who responded
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