[casey]

Originally Posted by Airbornelawyer

Actually, we seem to be faced with a situation where someone in the neighbor's house is a murderer, and some in the family fear speaking out while others seek to put family first (and any cop who has answered a domestic disturbance call can tell you how strong that bond can be) and a few have the courage to speak out. The neighbors are the Jones. Some would like to go after the murderer, while others seem content to treat all Jones as murderers.

= TR I maintain that we are at war with every Moslem who wants to be at war with us, and can extend that to supporting members as we see fit.

AL, you have made TR's point with your excellent anology . During every LEO operation to arrest any murderer or violent felon, you go in understanding that the friend (neighbor) and or family bond (religion) can be very volatile. Hell, even the thug (muj) know this - thats why he hides there. But, it is the neighbors or family who make the decision that they are either with Mr. Thug, or not.

To bring said Thug to justice, my team will come thru the door with as much speed, violence of action and overwhelming force as I deem necessary until everyone's dick is in the dirt and secured. I have dusted off many a parent, cousin, friend and yes even clergy AFTER the mission was completed and the murderer/felon was in custody. Not to apologize to them, but to explain what they already know - him bad - us good, better get that door fixed.

Hearts and minds during the hit is not an option. You go after the murderer but do you ignore the family / neighbors in the room while doing so? Of course not -they, sometimes are a bigger unknown entity as the thug himself. Indifferent, fearful, or tacit compliance because of a religious bond is a weak excuse.

And no, I don't feel that we should treat everyone in the house as "murderers", just those who allow the murderer into their house, shelter him, and jump up and get between me and the murderer.