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Originally Posted by Maas
Joe,
An honest question.
What can we do to change the training for LEO? I'd send a letter.
We certainly have the resources, they train 18yr olds everyday over at Sand Hill how to take on two guys with AK's. Nothing high speed, just shoot and scoot 11B basic skills.
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That is a tough question here is why: Cops are trained to use the minimum amount of force necessary to stop the fight, this added to the post Rodney King Era of Law Enforcement i.e. agency frying cops for excessive use of force wether true or not. The close with and kill mind set is not taught PERIOD! I have tried to bring it to may agency and now I'm considered some sort of hyper-aggresive wacko.
Bottom line most cops (that I see and know) are gun shy. To a certain extent cops are willing to go hands on with someone they will grap someone or tackle someone and wrestle around with them however by and large cops are afraid to strike someone especially with an insturment because of he liability and because of the threat of losing there job over a use of force incident. This transfers over into gunfighting...actually the way I see it a fight is a fight! I have the same attitude weather I'm using a gun or my barehands to fight someone either way dudes going down no matter what! I will do whatever I have to make sure I win. <~~~That attitude right there is what so many cops are lacking and what so many Police Admins are affraid of. To a certain extent I agree we can't have a Police society where cops can go around jacking up whoever they want, whenever they want, and use any amount of force they want. But with societies 'preception' of reality and what reality is are two different things (just look at the media's coverage in Iraq).
Back on target: I think what needs to change is this:
1. Attitude; Cops have to be taught and have to apply (in real time and life) that Aggressive-calculating mindset that The Team Sergeant talked about I know guys who have been seriously hurt and 1 who was killed in the line of duty because they failed to act aggressively enough fast enough. Wer they complacent maybe, actually they way I look at it is Yes they were why because they failed to act in a timely manner. As a result I know 1 who is lucky to still have his left arm and the other is dead (RIP Jeff Mortiz)
2. It HAS to be backed up with consistant training day in and day out, Our SF soldiers are not the best in the world because they sit on there ass eating donuts, drinking coffee, while hitting on the waitress. They are out there training day and night to do what they need to do to Win, when they go to War. That same philosophy is what our Officers need.
3. Cops need to be trained by people who know WTF they are doing not by some ass who owns a gun club, lies on his resume, cons some police admin that he used to train Special Forces Soldiers
. Cops need good compitent trainers who have BTDT
4. Admin and society backing, by and large society has there head up there ass. Its admins responsiblity to help them pull it out by educating the public on Police matters, not shut the door on society and the media when they have legitmate questions. Additionally its admins responsibilty to TRAIN, SUPPORT, and MOTIVATE their officers to get out there and "Git'R Done". Its not Admins responsibilty to "Make the Board of Superivsors happy by coming in under budget."
Okay rant off.....Sorry Maas I got really long winded, I hope you can sift through the emotion involved in that post. I will try and give a more through-calculated response later when I'm at work.