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Old 02-14-2004, 12:36   #54
Adam White
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Valhal: I hold TERRORISTS in low esteem. I also hold people who twist the truth for political reasons in low esteem. What did I ever write that made you think I had some collective dislike for any entire ethnic group?

There are a shitload of Palestinians who live and work in Israel and manage just fine. There are no doubt many fine examples as well in the Palestinian controlled lands - though they are much more immersed in the anti-Israel propaganda - afetr all, hatred is what keeps their "leaders" in power.

Heck, there are PALESTINIANS in the Israeli parliament!

I did not talk about the 40% and 1998 issue - but I will continue. I challenge you to research who was living in much of this land 100 years ago. In most cases - nobody. In still other cases, a variety of people, from Jews, to Arabs, to Drews (did I spell that right?). Right now, the only area where all religions and groups are respected and tolerated is in ISRAEL!

There has always been disputes over this land - especially after the influx of Jewish immigration beginning in the late 19th century - and expanding significantly after WWII. In all of this, NOBODY was ever forcibly kicked out from ANYWHERE. The last people to have been forcibly kicked from that region were the Jews - which led to the diaspora - but even during that time, many Jews STILL lived in that land.

To try to settle things, the UN developed a partition plan - the Arabs refused it - and demanded ALL of the land for themselves. All the Jews wanted was a place to live in peace. They have been at a war for their very right to exist ever since. Every refugee is a refugee of a war STARTED and PROPAGATED by other Arab nations.

There are millions of displaced Palestinians living in camps in Egypt that have been there since the 1940s! How many refugees have come to the US and other countries since then? Are they living in camps or have they joined the society? There are more Jews in the US than in Israel. I don't have the numbers, but I bet a the numbers descended from WWII era immigrants are pretty damn close to the numbers of Palestinians STILL IN CAMPS in their "brother" nations. Where then, is the problem? Palestinians in Israel have more rights and freedoms than they do in any Arab country - yet you say they are "oppressed" by ISRAEL?

YOUR whole tone shows that you are committed to your warped view of things in that area - you clearly did not read or did not accept much of what I typed earlier. To even mention the extremists Jews is a joke - since Israel has and will again arrested and killed their own extremists, while the terrorists promote and idolize theirs. The difference is night and day. I would go so far at to say that the IDF actually has stricter ROE than US forces in most instances. You mention Israeli atrocities - if you had any CLUE of how ferociously the IDF slams down on soldiers who come even CLOSE to violating ROE you would not be talking such BS.

How many Israelis, Egyptians, Palestinians have you worked with? Have you ever been to that region? While Israeli school children embrace tolerance and discuss inclusiveness, Palestinian kids are inundated with messages of hate - and are taught and manipulated at a young age from some very slick, high production value hate-filledliterature and films- almost always published or produced outside of Israel (frequently Egypt). The shear amount of anti-Jewish and anti-Israeli propaganda in that region is sickening.

Is your entire opinion based on books of someone ELSE'S opinion? Open your eyes and you may be amazed at what you see.

If tomorrow the terrorists stopped killing, their would be peace in Israel and Palestinians would begin to live better. If tomorrow the Israelis stopped fighting, Israel would cease to exist by next week.
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