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Old 08-21-2013, 19:17   #89
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Wow, lots of questions/comments.

Yes, ten to twelve miles per day tactically, in open woods and under loads would probably be difficult enough for most people. Again, I would suggest moving at night without lights and holing up during the day to rest. Moving 1-2 miles per hour quietly would be decent. After the initial burst, five to ten days to move the distance, unless the pursuers were close or I were flushed. Plan water, food, resupply, and RON sites accordingly. I highly recommend a good high-res topo map like a USGS 1:24,000 for short or detailed movements, a 1:50,000 for general navigation, and at least a 1:100,000 or better for general planning.

Paslode, you have the idea, but I would not have young kids openly packing long guns, in case they were spotted.

BO, I agree with your rate of movement, unless you are a young, strong bull traveling fast.

Not sure I would want to interact with the populace, that would depend on who was chasing me, and why, which we did not delve into here. If you did, finding an illegal or migrant farm family, or someone else who avoided the authorities would probably be the best way to go purchase supplies.

cat, I agree completely about the arsenals being taken.

TM, I would say that you can plan on what you have, or on what you think you need and plan to acquire.

No problem, Knight. This should be helpful to anyone planning for contingencies.

s_e, good with the hardware. Don't forget to bring a way to get clean water to drink and some emergency food. Even water that looks clean can put you on your ass for a while.

As Flag noted, unless you are a Superman who can run silently, quickly like the wind, with a ton of gear on your back constantly, for days at the time, buddies are the way to go. Since the environment may not be permissive, you have to have someone alert and ready for trouble all of the time. Having a buddy, or two to move with you makes you much more likely to stay alive. Just remember to always bring one who is slower than you are.

If you are staying home, you need to have the entire neighborhood networked. Or bring in buds to stay with you and help.

fng, you have a good plan and seem to be taking what you need. I probably wouldn't pitch a tent, especially if I were holing up in daylight, maybe a bivvy bag or even a jungle hammock if it was warm. Plentiful water is usually okay, if you treat it, but I would not count on collecting a lot of food. Fishing and trapping require staying in an area a little while. Hanging around water sources is a good way to get spotted, I would stake them out if I were looking for someone evading. Unless you are heavy to start with, I would want 2,500 calories per day or more. Dehydrated or freeze dried is good. A bag of dehydrated rice might be nice with whatever you catch, and if you don't catch anything, throw in a bouillon cube for some flavor.

Hey, SnT, I can relate to getting old and slowing down. It is sound planning to break any long movement into several shorter legs. On trhe other hand, you should be able to move at whatever pace you can for 8-10 hours (with breaks) without breaking down. If that is 20 pounds of water and food with a knife and a pistol in a vest under an old overcoat, so be it. Stashing gear, especially food or ammo is a good idea. Not sure I would leave guns unless it was secured at a buddy's place. Good guns, and I can see taking some cash and metal, just not much, and with a whole lot more food, water, shelter, first aid, etc.

If things went to hell and I had to go 180 from my planned route without my caches, could I do it (even barely, worn out and ragged) with what I was carrying? Remember, pilots shot down in SE Asia were able to survive and in some cases, move long distances and evade with what they had in their vest and pockets. Not too many 100 pound rucks on that ejection seat. Maybe that is a model worth looking at, but I sure would feel nekkid without a long gun.

Pat, I am of the same mindset, I would prefer to stay at home, but unless your plan is to do the "die in place" routine, it never hurts to have a contingency to hit the trail. You get my point. You can't take it all, or even most of it very far. I know where I would go if flushed, and I hope you do too. Never hurts to check out some maps and maybe visit a few points that you found of interest. No matter what direction the threat arrived from, and what direction you departed, you can almost always circle around back onto your preferred route.

My brother told me that an older man said to him one time, "Son, you will never have to run from a fight if you start walking soon enough." There is more than a grain of truth in those words.

Good thoughts guys, and I hope that you are still learning as much from this as I am.

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