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Originally Posted by The_Mentalist
No, I have not humped that "lately" and fortunately have never had to do it in a "real" combat situation. I would, most likely, given the original challenge, seriously pare down my load. A basic load out of ammo instead of the larger quantity previously mentioned, cut food in half and reduce clothing to socks and skivvies. Water would still remain a higher priority for weight allowance depending on source availability. The one issue I have that you don't is that I can not base a load out on any one location. I must remain fully capable for any environment. This is one reason I carry as much in the truck as I do. Even right now, in the middle of summer, I carry winter clothing. I also carry summer clothing in the middle of January. I have had a full 130 degree temperature swing in just 14 hours one day from 115 in Vegas to -15 that evening in park city Utah. The temps changed so fast that it cracked my windshield. I tend to be more aware of environmental considerations than some one that stays in one location.
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I don't think that your load carrying estimate of 100 pounds of gear, plus guns is realistic for the scenario I described, particularly since I specified a 45 pound BoB as your basic load. I have carried loads in excess of 100 pounds before, and to move 100 miles in a hurry, it is just not practical, certainly not tactical.
If you can't physically carry the load, why would you post it here as what you would take? There was no truck in this scenario, it is foot movement only. When in doubt, RTFQ.
If you want to start a "what to carry in a get home vehicle bag" thread, have at it.
Barring severe altitude changes (which I would not attempt in this scenario), 100 miles distance will not normally put you in a significantly different climate, but if it did, my experience is that as long as you are reasonably dressed, you only get significantly cooler when you stop moving. The main issue (for me) would be staying reasonably warm in a cold climate and staying reasonably bug free in a warm climate.
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Originally Posted by spherojon
In this scenario I'm not bringing 4 extra pair of cloths with the kitchen sink and all that jazz. Why? Because I'm getting the f out of the area. TRs post, "BE PREPARED" ( http://professionalsoldiers.com/foru...hlight=bug+bag) really hit home with me considering I am in Southern California and its a high % that a natural disaster will hit. SC has millions of people here, and if sh*t hit the fan, well those millions now have no food, no power, and limited resources in this desert. The quicker I get the f* out undetected, the better (roadblocks, gangs, looting, etc). With that said, I already have a stache of food, clothing, ammo, guns, and my pride and joy, an running aquaponics system in a secure location about 180 miles away (also near freshwater). I have two bug out bags, one in my car to get me home, the other, at home to get me to my secure location (at a gold mine off the beaten path in the Sierra Nevada). I also have a TW 200 and access to horses in my area. Location is mapped out that leaves me off the main roads and highways. My point with all of this is, in this scenario, there is no point to having 130 pounds of gear, 40 pounds of it being in guns and ammo. My bug out bags change with the season, but for summer, temperature doesnt go from 120 down to -15, its about 70-120 right now, but I plan on traveling at night. The only bad thing about this scenario is that its limited to 100 miles...so I have to bring a 870 Wingmaster and ammo instead of relying on my spare at my secure location. |
Good plan, I like the combo bags. I suppose you could also do seasonal, but I don't normally go out in the winter without proper clothing on anyway. I guess for winter, I would grab a goretex parka, a set of poly pro underwear, a fleece vest, a pair of insulated gloves, and a stocking cap.
Once you get out of the city, you are probably in an area where you could actually use a rifle to its max range rather than the shotgun. Not sure if there is any game to be harvested to supplement your diet, but I would size the caliber and ammo based on the max range and game size/threat.
I also agree with the traveling only at night, once you break out of the initial search area. Thermal scanning / FLIR from helicopters could make this challenging.
I am thinking one rifle/carbine and one pistol. I would allow that a second pistol would not be unreasonable, if you have the weight to spare. A couple of hundred rounds of AR/AK ammo or a hundred rounds of large rifle ammo, no more than 50 rounds or so of pistol ammo, and a couple hundred rounds of rimfire would be more than enough firepower. Depending on the environment, a hatchet, or a camp axe, or a machete, or a really big knife, and a smaller fixed blade knife and a multi-tool should do it.
TR