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Originally Posted by Sdiver
You are correct Sir, in that it does (and it is) sound like a lot. I tend to do that, "over prepare". That's why I love these threads. Let's me rethink and reevaluate my "plan(s)"
One thing I did neglect to mention is, along the routes that I've more or less looked at, there will be plenty of four legged transportation that I'd be passing. Aside from deteriorating political polices, Colorado is also know for it's huge horse populations. I know hangings are too good for horse thieves, but ..... This is one of "The Reaper's" famous survival threads. One that gets one thinking, so it's pretty much, all bets are off. It's survival of the fittest time baby. 
This is the bag I was referring to ....
http://www.lapolicegear.com/511-bail...FYtDMgodFBMAYw
Yeah I called it a fanny pack, but I used to wear mine over the shoulder so it would hang on my hip, and when I did wear it as a "fanny pack", I could always pull it around to the front.
Yes of course the (my) load would change with the weather. I went with thinking what I would grab at "This particular time". Currently here, it's partly cloudy, temps in the mid 80's, lows in the 50's, and continued to be like this for the next 5 days. Now turning to sports ..... Aw crap, sorry.
Didn't even think what it would be like in December, or March, or October, ect.
Thank you for pointing that out.
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Nothing wrong with thinking a plan through with like-minded individuals.
That is a Bail Out Bag, not a fanny pack as generally understood.
Do you plan on carrying a pack saddle too, or are you going to just ask the rancher for one before you take his horse? Horses require rigging to carry loads.
In an environment like yours, I could see having the core three-season BoB, and adding an additional module for winter.
Good plan.
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Originally Posted by Brush Okie
I would be taking Ms Okie with me so for her
AR carbine and .22 pistol.
I would take my Springfield M1A with scope and .22 pistol. I have 2 Ruger MKII semi autos. Given time I might try to improvise a suppressor for both.
While I would do my best to avoid contact, travel at night etc it might happen That is what the AR is for.
The 22 pistols is for taking small game or even deer with a head shot in the right circumstances. Also works in case I have to engage someone quietly.
M1A/M-14
For larger game if needed. Also IF I have to have engage the bad guys I can reach out a ways with the rifle and I prefer to wound one of them at a long distance as possible to slow their pursuit yet it is semi auto and works at closer firefights as well.
I have a water filter for camping that is a must to take along.
figure 200 rounds of 223.
200 rounds of .22 each
200 rounds of 308
Also I would minimize food I took and take more water. I can go longer without food than water but at 8.35 pounds per gallon water weights a lot. Say minimum food rations for 5 days ir power bars etc.
If I was going alone ie Ms Okie was already in a safe area I may trade the M1A for the Carbine but METT-TC come into effect ie who it was and their equipment.
Boots. And this is the most important of all IMHO. A good well broken in pair of boots it the most important with extra socks and foot powder.
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Good load plan for your wife.
I would have to consider the openness of the route, opportunities for long-range engagements, and the size of the game before committing to a .308.
The AR with accessories is nine pounds or so, loaded 30 round 5.56 mags roughly a pound each, so seven pounds of ammo. The .22 would be a couple of pounds, and the .22LR ammo about 2 pounds for 200 rounds. She gets 20 pounds of guns and ammo.
For a standard weight stripped M1A, you would have a roughly ten pound rifle, and ammo is 1.5 pounds per 20 round mag. Four more pounds for the pistol and ammo. Your total for your weapons is 29 pounds, plus optics, lights, night vision, cleaning gear, etc. With the 45 pound BoB, your wife is carrying at least 65 pounds, and you 74 pounds. Most females cannot sustain that weight, so you are probably going to have to redistribute the load and carry part of hers.
I take it you live in a dry climate. One gallon per day, and a filled CamelBak bladder is around 100 oz., or just about seven pounds. You cannot carry sufficient water to make the full 100 mile move on foot. Best to take some storage and purification capability, and plan a route that will bring you near water sources when you need them.
If you are a healthy weight, you drop below the calories you are burning, and pretty soon, your body will start to break down.
I agree with your assessment of the importance of boots. And a well-broken in ruck.
Incidentally, if you are being pursued, you should be running a cold camp with no fire and little shelter. The MRE heaters, and a bivvy bag for your sleeping gear or a ground cloth over you might be as good as it gets, and limit your thermal signature. Bring extra clothes to stay warm while sleeping. The move at night plan is a good one, if you are familiar with the terrain and can night land navigate under tactical conditions. Hole up in thick brush or inaccessible terrain and rest during the day. That will cut back on your cold weather concerns as well.
TR