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Old 10-14-2004, 13:31   #274
Jimbo
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Originally Posted by D9
Jimbo, I am pretty familiary with the history of the region. Anyway, no reason to throw around insults like the above. How about we stick to the argument?

I did read the article. The Arab Nationalism of the 1970's is a small and, I agree, unusual period that stands out in 13 centuries of history. But it is notable not because it is charactisic of the history of the region, but because it stands in contrast to the history of the region. You have to go back to the Abassid Dynasty to find any situation in the region where the politics of the region were not rooted inextricably in Islam (and although that was probably the most secular period in Islamic history, it was still under a Caliphate). Honestly, Islam even plays a minor role in the rise of Arab-Nationalism, as Arabs sent many of their children to Europe for educations in the 19th C. hoping to reverse the fortunes of the failing Islamic world in comparison to the West.

Facism was an unusual period in German history. It had a pretty profound effect on world history, though.

The dicotomy you said doesn't exist, did exist. It continues to exist in Turkey. This debate has been going on is Islam for a long time. Maybe they'll reach a resolution at some point. When they do, we will either get along with them or there will be total war with them. Until then, people should hold off on saying we are at war with the religion.
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