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Old 01-28-2010, 14:07   #15
cszakolczai
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Originally Posted by T-Rock View Post
Therein lies the rub, the Qur’an does justify violence towards Jews and Christians providing certain criteria are met. Offensive Jihad or violence towards Unbelievers, Jews, and Christians, happen to be grounded in history, as well as being codified by Sharia.

The Objectives of Jihad

o9.0
(O: Jihad means to war against non-Muslims, and is etymologically derived from the word mujahada, signifying warfare to establish the religion.

o9.1 Jihad is a communal obligation (def: c3.2). When enough people perform it to successfully accomplish it, it is no longer obligatory upon others.

o9.6 It is offensive to conduct a military expedition against hostile non-Muslims without the Caliph’s permission (A: though if there is no Caliph (def: o25), no permission is required.
(The Reliance of the Traveler. Pgs 599-609)

o22.1 ( I )
(9) those (nasikh) which supersede previously revealed Koranic verses;
(10) and those (mansukh) which are superseded by later verses.
(The Reliance of the Traveler. Pgs 625, 626)

Which verses in the Qur’an that call for peace, love and patience towards Unbelievers, Jews, and Christians are not affected by al-Nasikh wal-Mansoukh ?

“None of Our revelations do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, but We substitute something better or similar: Knowest thou not that Allah Hath power over all things?" (Surah 2: 106)

“When We substitute one revelation for another, and Allah knows best what He reveals (in stages), they say, "Thou art but a forger": but most of them understand not."
(Surah 16:101)

Those who do not accept abrogation fall outside of the mainstream…

Jihad means struggle and in response to the verses you cited, here are some other verses...

[2:190] You may fight in the cause of GOD against those who attack you, but do not aggress. GOD does not love the aggressors.

[2:193] You may also fight them to eliminate oppression, and to worship GOD freely. If they refrain, you shall not aggress; aggression is permitted only against the aggressors.

Not much time right now.

To add while I have some more time, Yes, the Qur'an does offer and have violent verses, but is it just that easy to declare it a violent text and one which targets Christians and Jews? I think it is a little more complicated then that. And in order to understand Islamic extremism, we have to see how the texts are manipulated and altered to fit the teachings which are found by terrorist organizations.

Last edited by cszakolczai; 01-28-2010 at 14:27.
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