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bailaviborita · 04-10-2009, 13:09

Recently sat in on a briefing where this issue was the topic. The speaker was Stephen Coughlin (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...ring-83234302/). I got these points out of his brief:

- Moslem Brotherhood and other groups specifically state how to fight war and how they intend to win
- They will make temporary accomodation, lie, kill, and use our culture against us, so that we are destroyed from within
- That they intend to use Sharia Law to spread their message and their own law system through madrassas and mosques the world over
- That the US and Western world are too politically correct to admit any of these things and that already Sharia Law is starting to get into our systems of laws (really bad in Europe already)
- That we have to understand their playbook (written by a Pakistani General Officer)- since it is basically their order of battle
- That PC'ness prevents us from understanding the enemy

There was a heated debate as international officers and some with long periods of time living in the Middle East took issue with some of his assertions. My personal opinion was that he seemed to be an advocate- and an especially emotional one at that- instead of an objective observer. He reminded me of a Fundamentalist preacher trying to convert everyone.

But, it didn't, for me, discount all that he said. But, the debate is still on: to what extent are our foreign policy problems within the Middle East connected to the Moslem faith? If they are greater than our politicians will admit, what can we do about it? What is the overall conclusion- if this is true (that Islam has de facto declared war on the Western world)?

There are Moslem officers from several countries in U.S. Army schools all over the U.S. Are they all in a period of "temporary accomodation"? If they are, they wouldn't admit it. Does this all sound too "conspiratorial"? To me it many times does. We might be attributing more coordination and focus than these groups really have.

I once likened the fight "over there" to one of having a Southern U.S. town occupied by Moslem troops. I am sure the Southern Baptists would take pride- if they weren't outright supporting- in "Red Dawn"-type insurgent operations against the occupiers. I have to figure it is the same over there. At the end of the day- they are prideful of their tribe, religion, town, family, etc.- just as we would be here with occupiers in our midst. I'm not sure that translates into a worldwide conspiracy to force everyone to become Muslim. But I'm not sure if anyone has the true % of the Moslem faithful who DO believe what the Moslem Brotherhood believes...

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bailaviborita Quiet Professional Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Pineland Posts: 555	Briefing Recently sat in on a briefing where this issue was the topic. The speaker was Stephen Coughlin (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...ring-83234302/). I got these points out of his brief: - Moslem Brotherhood and other groups specifically state how to fight war and how they intend to win - They will make temporary accomodation, lie, kill, and use our culture against us, so that we are destroyed from within - That they intend to use Sharia Law to spread their message and their own law system through madrassas and mosques the world over - That the US and Western world are too politically correct to admit any of these things and that already Sharia Law is starting to get into our systems of laws (really bad in Europe already) - That we have to understand their playbook (written by a Pakistani General Officer)- since it is basically their order of battle - That PC'ness prevents us from understanding the enemy There was a heated debate as international officers and some with long periods of time living in the Middle East took issue with some of his assertions. My personal opinion was that he seemed to be an advocate- and an especially emotional one at that- instead of an objective observer. He reminded me of a Fundamentalist preacher trying to convert everyone. But, it didn't, for me, discount all that he said. But, the debate is still on: to what extent are our foreign policy problems within the Middle East connected to the Moslem faith? If they are greater than our politicians will admit, what can we do about it? What is the overall conclusion- if this is true (that Islam has de facto declared war on the Western world)? There are Moslem officers from several countries in U.S. Army schools all over the U.S. Are they all in a period of "temporary accomodation"? If they are, they wouldn't admit it. Does this all sound too "conspiratorial"? To me it many times does. We might be attributing more coordination and focus than these groups really have. I once likened the fight "over there" to one of having a Southern U.S. town occupied by Moslem troops. I am sure the Southern Baptists would take pride- if they weren't outright supporting- in "Red Dawn"-type insurgent operations against the occupiers. I have to figure it is the same over there. At the end of the day- they are prideful of their tribe, religion, town, family, etc.- just as we would be here with occupiers in our midst. I'm not sure that translates into a worldwide conspiracy to force everyone to become Muslim. But I'm not sure if anyone has the true % of the Moslem faithful who DO believe what the Moslem Brotherhood believes... __________________ To an imperial city nothing is inconsistent which is expedient - Euphemus of Athens Last edited by bailaviborita; 04-10-2009 at 21:44.
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