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Old 11-04-2008, 21:10   #11
Sigaba
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Originally Posted by GreenSalsa View Post
Actually I find it amazing that they will call a state with only 2-5% of the precincts reporting in. I understand that there are some urban areas that might have some more sway then others...but IMHO--they should report it when they are done 100%.

While I am on the "soapbox" I might add I would like to see a law passed that expressively forbids politicians who currently hold one office from running for another.

If they want another job, they shouldn't be doing at taxpayer expense--do the job they were elected just like Bob Dole did.
Sir--

If I may join you on the soap box, here is my wish list of additional reforms:
  1. National elections should occur over a weekend to encourage greater participation.
  2. Media blackouts as long as any voting was in progress.
  3. Debates in which candidates must answer the questions asked or have their microphones turned off.
  4. An ongoing independent audit of presidential campaigns ($600 million?! for Senator Obama's campaign? Some of that went to someone's iPod).
  5. An independent agency to verify voter identity.
  6. The 50 states would be broken up into groups of four that would rotate their primaries.

I'm off the soap box and back to being not the least bit bitter.

No, wait...just a moment.

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Originally Posted by USANick7 View Post
I am amazed...baffled.

All I want is for one Obama supporter to tell me truly why they think that guy is a proper choice for this position.

But I want an honest explanation...

I don't want to hear about hope, and puppy dogs...

I want someone to honestly tell me that its ok that Jeremiah Wright was his spiritual influence. Its ok to pall around with a man like Bill Ayers. The founders would have wanted us to take money from our neighbors and use it for government run social programs. The surge really didn't work. Tax policy isn't about generating revenue for necessary state functions, its about ensuring economic "fairness". The supreme court should decide cases based off of arbitrary inclinations to people because of skin color, economic status, etc. The Constitution is too restrictive when it comes to allowing government to redistribute wealth, and should be changed. Its a good idea to unconditionally talk to world leaders that openly advocate nuclear holocaust.

So is that it? Is that what Obama supporters, and what looks like the majority of the American people really believe?


It would be one thing if I got the sense that Senator Obama had a coherent political philosophy other than Stick It To The Man. I can respect a true liberal who loves his country and his countrymen and thus believes that the American state had some responsibility to provide a social safety net for reasons he could articulate (such as to prevent the rise of mass dissatisfaction among the masses that would lead to increasingly radical political movements or that America cannot be the City on the Hill if too many of its citizens are living below the poverty line). I would argue with that person until we were blue (or red) in the face, but I would know I was talking to a patriot.

But this guy. This [long string of expletives deleted] guy is no patriot. This guy does not respect the values of this country. You do not stay under the guidance of a man who, after one of the darkest days in American history, gets up on the pulpit and jeers at the dead. You do not accept the support in any way shape or form of a guy who thinks it was all right to detonate bombs. You do not run for one public office simply so you can have a secure job that you have no intention of doing while you try to get your next job. You do not insult intentionally the beliefs and values of your fellow citizens who have the audacity to practice their civil rights.

But most of all, you do not aspire to be the first African American president without setting a standard for yourself that is so high that even on your most average day on the campaign trail, rank and file Americans have such fundamental questions about your character, your beliefs, your skills, your experience, or your readiness. Instead, you truly behave like the transformational human being your sycophants say you are, so that even your most cynical critic will have a moment in the voting booth when he or she says "this guy has really got it together." Instead, you conduct yourself with such dignity and put so much pressure on your opponent to bring out the best in himself or herself that the voters know that who ever wins on election day is going to be, hands down, no question about it, a sensational president.

Instead, we get this guy.

Bitter? Me? Never.

Last edited by Sigaba; 11-04-2008 at 21:47. Reason: Absolutely not bitter.
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