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Old 10-29-2008, 09:14   #32
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Originally Posted by tinmanHRSO View Post
So basically you guys are telling me that Noveske is full of it, I'm full of it. The upper reciever I paid almost $1400 for isn't real and I'm only imagining the performance I've been enjoying for the past 6 months is that it???? Or are you saying that it's not possible for someone like myself to actually make an intelligent post? Or maybe you're actually saying that if you guys haven't purchased something yourself then it must be a piece of shit? Give me a fucking brreak I got nothing to lie about, I don't work for Noveske, Im not just citing crap from an ad. I own one of these uppers and use it several times a week. I've owned more SBRs than I can count and this one by far beats them all hands down. I'm an instructor and security operator still in the business and I just tell it like it is. I really couldnt give a shit what you guys believe but don't just assume I'm a liar either.

It's sadly something which I've come to expect here after I made a post backing up another person's claim supporting PMags from MagPul which was quickly attacked and largely ignored. I stated my experiences with the Pmags and backed it up with other information from many sources and it was regarded in the same way, little respect, zeo trust, instead it was as if the post was instantly something to be fought against and disproven simply because it came from a poster with under 100 posts. The next time I visited the site however, suddenly a new post about Pmags was praising them using little more than a few of the same facts once given by myself and ignored. Yet this time it came from a poster with many posts, and so instantly, it was embraced as law.

Really, has the professionalism among you transformed into a country club attitude appearing as "Elitism?"
Since you edited your previous post to include additional comments, let me address a couple of them here. I don't have to explain myself to you, or anyone else who is a guest on our board, but will try to do this for the benefit of anyone who may be reading this thread, which is way off topic already.

We have no idea who you are or if you have any real experience at all. You might be some 14 year old Airsoft ninja wannabe, regardless of your post count. Anyone can register and start posting here. "Security professional", "operator" and "instructor" are nebulous terms and carry little real meaning. I have seen mall cops make those claims before, as well as people who take a trip overseas as a contractor and sit on a FOB for six months.

On the other hand, when a QP reports something, regardless of post count reports something, he is a vetted member of this board and his post carries some weight. I know what he has been through in training, and usually his rep, where he has served, and the combat experience he might have. If you think you are the first one to call us elitists, you do not know much about us.

Your observations are not normally going to carry the same weight as Lawless, for example, who we know has seen the elephant, or one of the QPs here. There are non-QPs on this board who have earned the right to express expert opinions and have their personal observations accepted on face value. Bill Harsey is a bonafide knife-making expert, as is swatsurgeon on trauma medicine. Both are staff members because of their expertise. OTOH, we have no idea who you really might be, and the value of your opinions is going to be rated accordingly. If Phil Seeberger or Doc Dater shows up here, and wants to talk cans, they would be given considerable latitude. If you were Jim Sullivan or Mark Westrom, your opinions on the M-16 would carry considerable weight, regardless of post count. You, on the other hand, are an unknown, and a rude one to boot.

Some of us agreed with part of your premise, but had some concerns about a couple of your claims. When you read these comments, you seem to have gotten pretty hostile, and unnecessarily.

I think you need to check the attitude and apologize before posting further. If you have a problem with that, move out and draw fire.

TR
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