I had decided to keep out of this discussion, as I thought I had made my point(s) clear; however, I see now that I didn't.
The TS is right in that the military and in particular Special Operations units have their job(s) and procedures and civilian law enforcement have theirs. As for the use of the word 'Warrior,' IMHO I don't think it only applies to soldiers. It's really a state of mind.
Training in both the military and law enforcement can't be judged on the view of one instructor nor that particular time and place one views it. We have good instructors and good training as well as poor instructors and poor training in both places. I'm sure we all can pull up tales of poor training and or instructors.
Law enforcement, have no desire to replace the militaries role, in operations normally handled under their jurisdiction. They (LE) were not designed to fight wars or conduct military special operations. (No matter what some LAPD SWAT (ex-Marine) says.) Yeah, NYPD is larger and has more manpower than some Countries Armies ‚ So what, I doubt that they would win any wars!
Most large department SWAT teams (Or whatever they call them.) are trained and equipped to do the jobs they were created to handle. Most are proficient at those jobs. Their level of training in the needed tactics, marksmanship and weapons skills exceeds the average LEOs training in these areas. The need for such training and skills was why the were developed.
The point that I was trying to make in this thread seems to have been overlooked. This started out as a question of what happens, etc. on a school hostage situation like they had in Russia.
My point was, that under the existing laws here in the USA, the first responders to any hostage situation is going to be the local LE jurisdiction that covers that area. They will find out first hand what the situation is at that scene. Until they do, its unclear what is happening there or what type of incident is happening there.
They will have to contain that situation and deal with it, with the resources they have. If while containing the situation, hostages started to be killed, the LE resources on hand may have to take action. Hopefully a SWAT team or combined SWAT teams from other nearby or State level would add to the manpower. Not the best situation, for a real Russian hostage situation; however, they would be left with little choice.
If no hostage killing was taking place, they would keep the area contained until it is was decided that it was a Federal case and under Federal jurisdiction. In which case the Fed's take over. They (Feds) will than decide who will be used and/or called to deal with the situation. Hopefully, this would result in using the military unit that is needed, with both local, federal LE providing containment.
Yes, in a Russian type of situation, LE maybe in for a shock and their may well be poor tactics, etc used, etc. To prevent this I would hope that LE Departments LE SWAT teams would pre-plan for such cases, using the Russian situation as a bases for that training and develope tactics and combined training with other nearby jurisdictions as well as the Feds to contain such a situation!
The way I see it, like it or not the first responders will be LEOs!
