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NousDefionsDoc · 04-24-2004, 15:38

In addition to what Mr. Harsey has so graciously posted, not only the dagger, but a lot of the combatives used can be traced back to Shanghai and the same time frame, as well as point shooting (although Col. Applegate greatly refined the point shooting).

The foundations of the combatives are in street jujitsu, modified for Anglos by Fairbairn et al and modified further for use with military gear by the Marines, Col. Applegate and others.

My combatives mentor maintains his ties with formal jujitsu as well as the combatives lineage. A lot of the old books show techniques very much like what the Gracies for example teach.

That the combatives are still viable even today says much for the skill of these men. We owe them a debt of gratitude.
Here's a good article by Dennis Martin on what Mr. Harsey is talking about.

The Source

Great story Mr. Harsey, thanks for sharing.

04-24-2004, 15:38	#2
NousDefionsDoc Quiet Professional Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: LA Posts: 1,653	In addition to what Mr. Harsey has so graciously posted, not only the dagger, but a lot of the combatives used can be traced back to Shanghai and the same time frame, as well as point shooting (although Col. Applegate greatly refined the point shooting). The foundations of the combatives are in street jujitsu, modified for Anglos by Fairbairn et al and modified further for use with military gear by the Marines, Col. Applegate and others. My combatives mentor maintains his ties with formal jujitsu as well as the combatives lineage. A lot of the old books show techniques very much like what the Gracies for example teach. That the combatives are still viable even today says much for the skill of these men. We owe them a debt of gratitude. Here's a good article by Dennis Martin on what Mr. Harsey is talking about. The Source Great story Mr. Harsey, thanks for sharing. __________________ Somewhere a True Believer is training to kill you. He is training with minimal food or water, in austere conditions, training day and night. The only thing clean on him is his weapon and he made his web gear. He doesn't worry about what workout to do - his ruck weighs what it weighs, his runs end when the enemy stops chasing him. This True Believer is not concerned about 'how hard it is;' he knows either he wins or dies. He doesn't go home at 17:00, he is home. He knows only The Cause. Still want to quit?
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