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82ndtrooper · 02-08-2007, 14:27

All I said about the HRT was that (1) they carry 1911s--and that is not hearsay. I couldn't immediately find anything on FBI's site that says what HRT carries, but according to Springfield Armory Inc., HRT and FBI regional SWAT teams bought at least some SAI 1911s; and (2) because that design helps them hit better, which is ... well, I don't have a direct quote from anybody at FBI that says so, but that's what I've always figured the reason was. If you know that the real reason was different, I will sure stand corrected.

FEARTHECATS,

There's alot of inconsistency in the above paragraph. I suspect your admiration for the 1911 platform is based soley on the idea that a HSLD outfit like the FBI HRT carries them, or at the very least you've read that they do. I've never put much faith in any of the handgun mags, and Soldier of Fortune. Mas Ayoob has made a living writing for these mags, and I fear he is more about writing than real world tactics. At least in this day and age.

"because the original design helps them hit better" This sounds more like an 18 year old with his first handgun than a lawyer and officer of the peace. Not something I would expect from someone that is or has been trained beyond that of hitting paper targets at an indoor range. You've mentioned that you attended a tactical pistol and carbine course with Larry Vickers. I would hope that almost every LEO officer has seen more than the 2 weeks at the state academy under highly monitored target fire. I too spent a weekend with Larry Vickers in Fayettville, N.C. this past year. In fact, he complimented me on the use of the H&K USP platform, not the 1911. I learned a great deal, but after returning home one has to continue to employ that training or it's lost. Much like my golf swing. I'm not in the business of clearing a room or making a hard entry, but it was worth the vacation to Fayettville, to fire off the pistol with some instruction.

Personally I could care less what the FBI HRT carry. Their needs are different than mine. I dont presume to know all scenarios of any deadly threat encounters, but I do know that I am not given any advantage by using a pistol that the FBI HRT carry. I'd rather be 100% dead accurate with a crappy pistol than only 50% with a 1911. Hence the reason I carry what works for me, not what works for someone else. I own a Taurus 24/7 Pro .45 ACP that is hands down a better pistol than any of the 1911's that I own. Taurus isn't touting any of their pistols being carried by any HSLD outfit. My bet is that if the HSLD operators were handed the Taurus, they'd make it work for them, not insist on what the FBI HRT carry. My Taurus holds 12+1 and allows me to shoot straight, something I cannot say for any of my 1911's.

02-08-2007, 14:27	#34
82ndtrooper BANNED USER Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,189	FBI HRT All I said about the HRT was that (1) they carry 1911s--and that is not hearsay. I couldn't immediately find anything on FBI's site that says what HRT carries, but according to Springfield Armory Inc., HRT and FBI regional SWAT teams bought at least some SAI 1911s; and (2) because that design helps them hit better, which is ... well, I don't have a direct quote from anybody at FBI that says so, but that's what I've always figured the reason was. If you know that the real reason was different, I will sure stand corrected. FEARTHECATS, There's alot of inconsistency in the above paragraph. I suspect your admiration for the 1911 platform is based soley on the idea that a HSLD outfit like the FBI HRT carries them, or at the very least you've read that they do. I've never put much faith in any of the handgun mags, and Soldier of Fortune. Mas Ayoob has made a living writing for these mags, and I fear he is more about writing than real world tactics. At least in this day and age. "because the original design helps them hit better" This sounds more like an 18 year old with his first handgun than a lawyer and officer of the peace. Not something I would expect from someone that is or has been trained beyond that of hitting paper targets at an indoor range. You've mentioned that you attended a tactical pistol and carbine course with Larry Vickers. I would hope that almost every LEO officer has seen more than the 2 weeks at the state academy under highly monitored target fire. I too spent a weekend with Larry Vickers in Fayettville, N.C. this past year. In fact, he complimented me on the use of the H&K USP platform, not the 1911. I learned a great deal, but after returning home one has to continue to employ that training or it's lost. Much like my golf swing. I'm not in the business of clearing a room or making a hard entry, but it was worth the vacation to Fayettville, to fire off the pistol with some instruction. Personally I could care less what the FBI HRT carry. Their needs are different than mine. I dont presume to know all scenarios of any deadly threat encounters, but I do know that I am not given any advantage by using a pistol that the FBI HRT carry. I'd rather be 100% dead accurate with a crappy pistol than only 50% with a 1911. Hence the reason I carry what works for me, not what works for someone else. I own a Taurus 24/7 Pro .45 ACP that is hands down a better pistol than any of the 1911's that I own. Taurus isn't touting any of their pistols being carried by any HSLD outfit. My bet is that if the HSLD operators were handed the Taurus, they'd make it work for them, not insist on what the FBI HRT carry. My Taurus holds 12+1 and allows me to shoot straight, something I cannot say for any of my 1911's.
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