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NousDefionsDoc · 04-03-2004, 15:48

That's what I'm saying Dan, there isn't an "Army-wide" weapon anymore. Do the guys in the Philippine jungles need the same weapon as the guys in Northern Iraq as the guys and gals riding shotgun on convoys?

These kids can score 10 gazillion in Playstation the first ten minutes they pick it up. BRM is basically the same no matter the weapon, its the manipulation of the weapon itself that's different. They are getting different classes in basic training regarding TTPs, why not weapons? I shot a grand total of 50 rounds out of an un-zeroed M16 A1 in basic. They let me have a 10 round "familiarization fire" then I qualified with 38 out of 40 - expert (I started laughing and missed the last two), so I was finished. Longrange taught me how to be a marksman in two weeks prior to Just Cause. Was I as good as he is? No way in hell. But I was proficient.

Give them BRM with an M16, then unit-specific training when they get to their unit as part of their train up. If they're going to 'Stan - M14s or some 7.82 variant for example. PI or convoy escort - M4, etc. Whatever the unit and mission dictate. It can't be that much more expensive than dick dancing around with HK et al. especially if we stay within two or three standard calibers. How many more times are we going to reinvent the pistol wheel? We've spent millions of dollars to find out what we've known since 1911 and since 1960whateveryeartheplasticguncameout.

Its ridiculous IMO. If you hit them with almost anything, they will fall down. the trick is hitting them. There are people that hunt bear and elk with bows and arrows. BRM and unit training. One size don't fit all.

Unit training, unit training, unit training.

04-03-2004, 15:48	#8
NousDefionsDoc Quiet Professional Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: LA Posts: 1,653	That's what I'm saying Dan, there isn't an "Army-wide" weapon anymore. Do the guys in the Philippine jungles need the same weapon as the guys in Northern Iraq as the guys and gals riding shotgun on convoys? These kids can score 10 gazillion in Playstation the first ten minutes they pick it up. BRM is basically the same no matter the weapon, its the manipulation of the weapon itself that's different. They are getting different classes in basic training regarding TTPs, why not weapons? I shot a grand total of 50 rounds out of an un-zeroed M16 A1 in basic. They let me have a 10 round "familiarization fire" then I qualified with 38 out of 40 - expert (I started laughing and missed the last two), so I was finished. Longrange taught me how to be a marksman in two weeks prior to Just Cause. Was I as good as he is? No way in hell. But I was proficient. Give them BRM with an M16, then unit-specific training when they get to their unit as part of their train up. If they're going to 'Stan - M14s or some 7.82 variant for example. PI or convoy escort - M4, etc. Whatever the unit and mission dictate. It can't be that much more expensive than dick dancing around with HK et al. especially if we stay within two or three standard calibers. How many more times are we going to reinvent the pistol wheel? We've spent millions of dollars to find out what we've known since 1911 and since 1960whateveryeartheplasticguncameout. Its ridiculous IMO. If you hit them with almost anything, they will fall down. the trick is hitting them. There are people that hunt bear and elk with bows and arrows. BRM and unit training. One size don't fit all. Unit training, unit training, unit training. __________________ Somewhere a True Believer is training to kill you. He is training with minimal food or water, in austere conditions, training day and night. The only thing clean on him is his weapon and he made his web gear. He doesn't worry about what workout to do - his ruck weighs what it weighs, his runs end when the enemy stops chasing him. This True Believer is not concerned about 'how hard it is;' he knows either he wins or dies. He doesn't go home at 17:00, he is home. He knows only The Cause. Still want to quit?
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