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Old 05-21-2006, 17:20   #69
Odd Job
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Join Date: May 2006
Location: London (ex SA)
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There is a fine line between a lively discussion and being a smart ass here. That line tends to shift depending on whom the 2nd party in the discussion is when it comes to guests. It is hard to see, so let me help you; you are standing right on top of it.
I always start a conversation in a civil, professional manner. If someone chooses to be condescending or abrasive then he will get the same back from me. If you call that being a smartass, well then TS made me a smartass. I am not some kid that has been left on TS's front lawn for him to baby sit, I am a professional and I put great courtesy and effort into these posts. If you don't like how I responded to him, that's tough doodoo. He should have addressed me on equal terms in the first instance.

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The TS is not abrasive, that is simply a collateral benefit of the steel from which he was forged - and one of his most endearing characteristics.
Well by the same token, I am not a smartass, that is just collateral benefit of my natural tendency to be endearing in turn.

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One of the reasons that I don't particularly care for gelatin as a medium is that I don't shoot people in the thigh, that is the point the TS is making.
I don't follow you there. As far as I can tell, neither the TS nor I have made any such link between thigh tissue and gelatin for the purposes of these tests.

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I personally would be much more interested in seeing the results of a test with penetration of the ethmoid and zygomatic bones, followed by cornea, pupil, vitreous and lens, followed by the frontal, temporal and occipital lobes.
If there was ever one part of the body that would produce the most variation in shot to shot terminal trajectories, it is the facial bones. It is quite common to find angled trajectories because of facial bone deflection. I have many cases in my research that illustrate this, in fact one of them involves a trajectory that started at the mandibular head, suffered an inferior trajectory change to the lung apex, passed through the diaphragm and lodged in the liver. A gunshot face and head is of no value in establishing a baseline or a control for the documentation of a projectile's performance.
As an aside, because I see 'Doc' in your title, how many shots have you ever seen that involve the zygoma, ethmoid bone, eye and occipital lobe? I'm curious because in my experience I have only ever seen one fractured zygoma, and in that case the bullet fractured the temporal bone too but nothing else. The trajectory that you suggest above is impossible with a standard projectile, as it does a loop and a 90 degree trajectory change.
Okay here is an actual case from file, where a guy sustained a gunshot in the region of the glabella (between the eyes, above the bridge of the nose). He actually sustained no brain injury because the bullet was deflected by the bones of the left maxillary sinus. The bullet was deflected inferiorly and broke several of the victims teeth. The red arrow points to blood and daughter projectile fragments lodged in the maxillary sinus on the left.
The green trajectory is your proposed interesting test trajectory. I've plotted it as generously as possible, but as you can see it is a highly unlikely trajectory. Note that the trajectory would have to have a superior then inferior angle in the region of the temporal lobe, in order for it to work.

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g1...b/CTFacial.jpg
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