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Originally Posted by G
TS
Have seen a number of failures to extract in a number of different pistols over the years.
Failure to extract can be caused by a number of factors:
1. Broken Extractor (Catastrophic)
2. Damaged rim on the casing in the chamber
3. Excessive build-up of grime behind the extractor claw
4. For reasons I have been unable to determine (one-off incidents)
and the reasons you mentioned.
The condition of the gun would be such that a live round will be pushing against the empty casing in the chamber.
In this condition the magazine will not drop free.
Assuming you do not have a backup gun:
1. Depress magazine release.
2. Pull hard on magazine (this removes the round that was being pushed against the empty casing).
3. Slide will drop onto empty casing (in most cases - except for a broken extractor, the extractor will re-engage).
4. Reinsert magazine (or insert fresh magazine).
5. Rack slide (hopefully gets rid of empty casing, puts live round into chamber).
6. Get back into the fight.
The magazine does not need to be completely removed from the gun, just pulled down till the top round in the magazine clears the breech face and the slide drops.
This is far quicker to do then to type.
G
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G
I've seen this happen only a few times, most times I've seen it, it was due to operator head space and timing; i.e. not cleaning the extractor claw, once or twice it was a bent extractor claw and as you mentioned a ripped case rim. Either way in a gun fight you’re pretty much fooked. This is not a malfunction drill I’d train for as it is so infrequent.
Also I would never view it as an “immediate” action drill but a “remedial” action. The difference being with this type of malfunction you are effectively “out of the fight” until the weapons is cleared, the reason is found, fixed and then back in service.
In any case forcefully removing the mag will do nothing to remediate the malfunction.
What I would do is:
1. Pull the slide to the rear with the non-firing hand.
2. With the firing hand ,turn the weapon upside down to allow anything to fall from the weapon and watch if anything does fall.
3. Bring the weapon back to the firing position. If the weapon does not fire it is time for remedial action.
TS