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52bravo · 11-30-2005, 06:09

ON the length.
there are to study on it. one where use ultrasound on non-wounde and one where thay use CT one thorax trauma, if i rember right the CT study found that in 75% you can use a normal IV 14g 1.77in, but in 25% the cutan emfysem the musculature made it impossible, and also in female it impossible. it a ok large study.
the ultrasound had the same result, i think i was impossible in 15%.

there is also a lot of case repports on it so it is not new, but in ATLS thay dont point it out, i think the reson for taht is that when you use needl, you also put in a tube.

the study also say, that you have to use a 3in to get all, and most i know who has use it says 14g is on the small side, and that will go for 12gor10g
i if i rember it right, in have them on my computer one place.
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11-30-2005, 06:09	#22
52bravo Auxiliary Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Odense Denmark Posts: 77	ON the length. there are to study on it. one where use ultrasound on non-wounde and one where thay use CT one thorax trauma, if i rember right the CT study found that in 75% you can use a normal IV 14g 1.77in, but in 25% the cutan emfysem the musculature made it impossible, and also in female it impossible. it a ok large study. the ultrasound had the same result, i think i was impossible in 15%. there is also a lot of case repports on it so it is not new, but in ATLS thay dont point it out, i think the reson for taht is that when you use needl, you also put in a tube. the study also say, that you have to use a 3in to get all, and most i know who has use it says 14g is on the small side, and that will go for 12gor10g i if i rember it right, in have them on my computer one place. and __________________ If we are going to ask one of our combat medics to undertake a medical treatment in the middle of a firefight, then we need to be as sure as possible that the benefit resulting from this treatment is going to be worth the risk.
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