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NousDefionsDoc 05-15-2005 11:45

Infantry in Action
 
http://www.infantry.army.mil/combatives/

Check out the video

booker 05-15-2005 12:09

very interesting
 
Very educational as well. Implementation to all units may be difficult though (i.e. not just combat arms units)...

NousDefionsDoc 05-15-2005 12:27

Why?

NousDefionsDoc 05-15-2005 12:37

http://www.moderncombatives.org/pages/1/

booker 05-15-2005 12:41

Don't view my comment as an argument against it, far from it. For a long time I wanted combatives to be an integrative part of the training that my unit received, but being a bean counter in an ammo unit put us low on the list for this training (as told to me by my Grp commander during a question and answer session). Not only is it an important skill for all soldiers to have a working knowledge of, it provides quite a workout too (which is definitely needed in a lot of units). That is what I meant by implementation (FWIW)

Martin 05-15-2005 12:59

I like this. A lot.

Here's FM 3-25.150.

Basenshukai 05-15-2005 13:13

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Originally Posted by NousDefionsDoc
Why?

For the same reason COSCOM doesn't teach Advanced Marksmanship to their soldiers. Lack of proper command emphasis.

BTW:

I was a student of Larson's program when it first started and it was a "kick-ass" program even then. I'm glad to see that it has gone as far as this. He is largely responsible for making this program what it is today. We need to see this become part of mandatory unit training just like basic rifle marksmanship.

Until then, squad leaders can emmulate what many SF Team Sergeants have done and implement it on their own small unit training program (as opposed to letting "Joe" go back to the barracks to play X-Box until something comes up during duty hours).

EarthPig2/75 05-15-2005 13:20

I specifically like how he implements the program into the daily training, so that it is constant, yet unexpected.
RLTW
EP

Kyobanim 05-15-2005 15:17

Good stuff for everyone.

I like this. Pretty much says it all,
the winner of the hand-to-hand fight in combat is the one whose buddy shows up first with a gun.

The Reaper 05-15-2005 15:18

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Originally Posted by Kyobanim
Good stuff for everyone.

I like this. Pretty much says it all,
the winner of the hand-to-hand fight in combat is the one whose buddy shows up first with a gun.

That was my favorite part as well.

TR

Kyobanim 05-15-2005 15:23

If someone gets close enough to where you need to take a swing at them then you didn't bring enough bullets.

I hope they're doing continuing education on this. Combatives falls into the "use it or loose it" category. Needs to be part of weekly training.

NousDefionsDoc 05-15-2005 15:27

I'd have to see the whole program to be fair, but I don't really care for it. It's too complicated, especially for level one. Too much, "Do this, and then do this, then move this leg here, then slide..." See what I mean?

I like, "Stop his foot! Gouge his eye! Hit him in the face with entrenching tool! Bronco stomp his head! Move out and draw fire!"

Plus my goal is not to end up sitting on top of him, my goal is to end up standing in a puddle of what was him.

The Reaper 05-15-2005 15:31

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Originally Posted by NousDefionsDoc
I'd have to see the whole program to be fair, but I don't really care for it. It's too complicated, especially for level one. Too much, "Do this, and then do this, then move this leg here, then slide..." See what I mean?

I like, "Stop his foot! Gouge his eye! Hit him in the face with entrenching tool! Bronco stomp his head! Move out and draw fire!"

Plus my goal is not to end up sitting on top of him, my goal is to end up standing in a puddle of what was him.

Seemed too complicated to me as well.

A man who was trying to remember all of that while being choked out and who hadn't rehearsed regularly would be gone before he remembered what it was he was trying to do.

Looked like it was all BJJ, nothing more on the boxing, stick fighting, etc. that was on the video.

TR

NousDefionsDoc 05-15-2005 15:42

The funny thing is they have a pic of the Colonel on their website. His philosophy on ground fighting for soldiers was pretty much "Get UP!" I don't really understand why they insist on something new. All they have to do is get Mr. Cestari or Damian Ross or somebody like that to train the trainers, then give them the tapes and copies of Get Tough. Like Cincy said, the O'Neil stuff was designed for the forerunners of today's Ranger Battalions. There are some good guys out there that have kept the stuff alive and would probably be more than happy to teach today's Warriors. I doubt you'll ever see Big O rolling around on the ground for very long or sitting on top of somebody without beating them to a pulp.

Still, we haven't seen the rest of it, and it is definitely better than nothing.

Smokin Joe 05-15-2005 23:07

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Originally Posted by NousDefionsDoc
Plus my goal is not to end up sitting on top of him, my goal is to end up standing in a puddle of what was him.


Oh I wish I could teach this to my Officers....but NO, "That's to aggressive" Freaking sissies.


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