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A Gruesome Find, With a Difference
Seven Bodies Discovered in Ramadi Belonged to Followers of Zarqawi

By John Ward Anderson
Washington Post Foreign Service
Saturday, March 19, 2005; Page A16

BAGHDAD -- When more than 80 bodies, many of them slain Iraqi police officers and soldiers, were found last week at four sites in Iraq, a fifth gruesome discovery attracted little notice.

In the violent city of Ramadi, a center of insurgent activity 60 miles west of Baghdad, the bodies of seven men were found neatly lined up in an unfinished house on the western outskirts of town, according to witnesses. Each had been shot in the head or torso. Some witnesses said the bodies were then secretly buried in a local cemetery.
Witnesses said they never went to the local police or foreign military forces to report finding the bodies, fearing that they would be accused of complicity in the slayings or that the killers would return to punish them for talking.

"I feared telling the Iraqi army because they would detain me and accuse me of being involved in the killings," said Ali Omar, 32, a motorcycle mechanic who found the bodies on the morning of March 12. Instead, he went to Ramadi Hospital and told an emergency room doctor about his discovery, but the doctor refused to get involved. "He told me, 'Why bring problems on yourself? Leave them until they find them,' " Omar said.

Witnesses also said the event went unreported because the dead men were foreigners, all Sunni Muslims and members of al Qaeda in Iraq, the radical group headed by Abu Musab Zarqawi that is at the forefront of the insurgency. Now that details of the slayings have surfaced, Zarqawi is vowing revenge.

"My cousins are the ones who killed them," said Jabbar Khalaf Marawi, 42, a former army officer and Communist Party member in Ramadi. Marawi said the slayings were carried out by members of his Dulaimi clan in retaliation for the killing of a clan leader -- Lt. Col. Sulaiman Ahmed Dulaimi, the Iraqi National Guard commander for Ramadi and Fallujah -- by Zarqawi's group last Oct. 2.

Dulaimi and three bodyguards were traveling through Khaldiyah, a small town east of Ramadi. When their vehicle slowed to navigate a series of concrete blocks placed in the road by U.S. forces, it was suddenly surrounded by a large group of armed men, according to witnesses interviewed at the time. The bodyguards were shot and killed on the spot, and Dulaimi was abducted, they said.

His body was found two days later in a youth center on the shores of Tharthar Lake, 20 miles north of Khaldiyah. Both his legs were broken in multiple places, his fingernails were removed, razor slashes were etched across his back and he had two bullet wounds in his chest, according to his autopsy report.

A statement by Zarqawi's group asserted responsibility for the killing, accusing Dulaimi of being an "agent . . . who works for the Americans." The statement said he had "confessed" to giving U.S. forces information about weak spots in the guerrillas' defenses in southern Fallujah.

Five months later, Omar, the motorcycle mechanic, was walking his three daughters to school. Because of heavy rain, they took a detour through a largely abandoned part of Ramadi's Tamim neighborhood, which had become a hideout for insurgents who fled the November offensive in Fallujah. As they passed an unfinished house, Omar said, they were hit by the unmistakable odor of death. After dropping off his girls, he said, he went back to investigate.

Omar said he found the dead men inside the house. Each appeared to be in his early thirties; all had long beards and were dressed in the traditional dishdasha gown favored by mujaheddin, or holy warriors.

After being rebuffed at the hospital, Omar said, he went to the local mosque, where the imam asked to be led to the scene.

Upon arriving, "the preacher immediately said he knew the people. He said they were from Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Syria mujaheddin," Omar recounted. "He prayed and asked God for mercy. Then he turned his face to me and said, 'Your mission is over. Thank you, you can go home.' "

Omar Karim, 32, said he was with a group of about 10 men at the Right Mosque when the imam, whom he identified as Yassim Abdul Latif, came in "and told us there are some dead bodies belonging to mujaheddin brothers who were killed by agents of the occupiers, and we have to put them in coffins and bury them." They collected the bodies and returned with them to the mosque, Karim said.
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Terrorists fear nothing more than their own TTPs being used against them. Paramilitary/vigilante groups scare the piss out of them. I say good on the clan.

Good post.

Right-wing paramilitaries?

United Self-defense Forces?

Does this sound familiar?

TR

Terrorizing the terrorists.

Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of people.

Maximum publicity.

Kill one, scare 10,000.

TR

I was going to say that 7th Group lessons may help in Iraq, but thought better of it. Seemed to me like suggesting that we pit the Ba'ath party against the Shiites, which of course is problematic in this context. :munchin

No, I am suggesting that they go all medieval on that ass. Do a little research on Salvador Mancuso and the Castaño family. They understand how to deal with terrorism.

AUC -- fight fire with fire.

Maybe we need another thread, but are the AUC "good guys" or bad guys with whom our interests are presently aligned? :munchin

They don't exist much anymore. They are surrendering and re-inserting in droves.

Carlos Castaño is probably dead, although I would want to see the body. Mancuso will come in eventually. It is a temporary state, though, because the Gs are killing them after they re-insert. They're going to have to go back out to stay alive.

Can you answer the question if I ask it in the past tense? I don't know much about what has gone on down there, but my impression was that they were just as involved in the cocaine trade as the rebels.

NO comments on this? What exactly did the "religious" leader portray to these people about these dead terrorists? :mad: I don't know, while it is a good article that gives hope in one realm of the war, it is still provides an interesting confirmation of what our guys are facing over there concerning the islamic leadership and their principles.

Not rebels - terrorist insurgents. Yes, some of the AUC and ACCU were involved in the drug trade - at first to finance the war effort. Many of them are very, very nasty customers. But there was a time when their villes were the only ones in Colombia one could walk around in at night.

this template has worked in the past.

it will be....I hate to say that it will be interesting....but, as a political scientist, I will be observing the secondary and tertiary impacts of these activities.

Saca,
I agree completely and found the same comment interesting. It is truly sad to see that many Islamic clerics are still supporting the root of instability in their nation. I certainly hope that more "agents of the occupier" will be able to succeed in their attempts to quell the violence bessetting the innocents long enough for us to establish that nation as a stand alone.
I have often wondered what the effect of a Pershing like treatment of insurgents (at the hands of Iraqs own) would yield. As long as the terrorising of the terrorists does not result in a corrupted force in itself I can only see a benefit from the above action.

Some extra background/context:

1. Most Sunni imams in Iraq were appointed by the Ba'athists. They were organized in the immediate aftermath of the regime's collapse into an organization called the Association of Muslim Scholars in Iraq (Hayat Ulama al-Muslimiin fii-l-'Iraq). These imams are not simply the local religious leaders; they are a tool of the insurgency. They should be treated as such - coalition forces have arrested a few and a few others have been assassinated, so someone is treating them thusly, but at other times we treat them like they represent a legitimate voice of Sunni Arabs.

2. The Dulaimi (or Dulaymi) are one of the most powerful Sunni Arab tribal federations in Iraq. They are heavily concentrated around Fallujah and Ramadi. The Dulaimi federation was a rival of Saddam Hussein (and his Tikriti federation) at various times, including a large revolt in 1995, but other Dulaimis benefitted from the regime (and one of Saddam Hussein's current lawyers is Khalil ad-Dulaimi). Certain smaller tribes have also allied with foreign Islamists to advance their own interests against the major Sunni Arab tribal federations (Dulaimi, Jubburi, Shammari), following a pattern smaller tribes also followed under the Ba'ath regime, so Dulaimi opposition to the terrorists is primarily about defending their own interests.