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Badger52

09-24-2023 19:35

DoD Contract with Dataminr

In my view, sure to be much more than just a piece of tech news.

Full story at the LINK here.

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Fresh revelations regarding a $2.5 million contractual agreement between the Defense Information Systems Agency (DISA) at Fort George G. Meade and social media scrutinizer Dataminr have emerged. These claims, unveiled by a US government notice, imply a new era of digital monitoring rests on the horizon, increasingly unsettling in its reinforcement of sweeping surveillance, and potentially having implications on free speech and privacy protection.

Fort Meade, also known as the steering wheel of the US Government’s paramount signals intelligence organization, the National Security Agency, has seemingly struck a discreet deal to expand its espionage services.

In addition, a user over at Snugbus reports on his organization's use of it already:

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Basically it’s a giant SEO-type program that constantly combs through various social media, looking for keywords, set on a list of parameters the user sets (key words, user ID, geographic area, ect). We use it for breaking news, to filter out actual events worthy of our attention.

Using the same operating principal, it would be pretty easy to mine social media or discussion forums for keyword/geolocation data and ferret out whoever you want for whatever reason you want.

Let’s say you wanted to identify service members who weren’t fans of the transing of children. So you’d set your AI parameters to filter out any posts using any kind of military term, from a specific area, that were critical of anything that could be considered part of the trans agenda. So all that data is collected and aggregated, and ultimately that gives you a select few filtered candidates who meet all of the criteria, and those are your targets for further in-depth investigation.

So yeah, nothing good will come of this.

:rolleyes:

JimP	09-25-2023 04:09

Been using it for a few years down at Fort Sam. I raised holy-hell about it at first as it appeared not to have cleared the domestic hurdles for "collection." Didn't stop it though......

To this day, I don't know if it and another system went through the appropriate hurdles to be used domestically.

Badger52

09-25-2023 06:18

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Originally Posted by JimP (Post 677854)

Think hurdles matter at this point?

Papa Zero Three

09-25-2023 20:03

Lets be frank here, anything can be misused or abused. But this is not something to go high and right about IMO. "We" have been using something similar since around 2013ish, that does the same thing, as a FORCEPRO/Early warning/ emerging trends tool in specific AOs. The only difference now is that a private company has a contract to do it. UTS/UDC is a thing that has been around for awhile and isn't ever going to go away and capabilities like this one are resources that are needed to stay up to date with everything that is going on in the world, every day, al the time, CONUS and OCONUS. That is the world we currently live in.

Badger52

09-25-2023 20:38

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Originally Posted by Papa Zero Three (Post 677860)

That is the world we currently live in.

No dispute there, but it just seems that the left & right limits start getting fuzzy when these capabilities are a layer removed from direct government performance. (Not that NSA contractors would ever perform something illegal at the behest of their masters.) Cynical am I at this particular point? You bet, right down to my toes.

Papa Zero Three

09-25-2023 22:37

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Originally Posted by Badger52 (Post 677861)

No dispute there, but it just seems that the left & right limits start getting fuzzy when these capabilities are a layer removed from direct government performance.

Your reply is a good example of the disconnect that most people have when it comes to this topic. People get upset about a capability like this when they really should be concerned that an average person with a credit card has the ability to buy Ad ID information from data brokers for penny's on the dollar. Everyone's phone has Ad ID built into it by default and it the biggest collection platform in existence that can provide far more telling and is more intrusive than something like dataminr, which is a controlled capability.

Worrying about something like Dataminr is akin to worrying about the arrangement of the deck chairs on the Titanic and not recognizing the actual problem.

JimP	09-26-2023 03:59

PZ3 - I worry about DM as the government is applying it domestically in a collection mode. There's only one Agency tasked/authorized to do such things and it ain't the military. This falls way outside "traditional military activities" and isn't applicable CONUS/domestically/against US citizens.

Box	09-26-2023 09:24

As if the government gives two loose bowel movements about what the peasants have to say about "privacy"

C'mon man

Besides - they ain't interested in the left thinking law-of'Biden citizens - they're only looking for 'terists and streamists...
...and if you ain't doing anything wrong, why should it matter ?!?!?
...dont start nuttin' wont be nuttin and all that jazz

You jokers are just subjects of good Ole King Joe's court - and you BETTER fall in line
or else

Badger52

09-26-2023 17:35

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Originally Posted by Box (Post 677864)

You jokers are just subjects of good Ole King Joe's court - and you BETTER fall in line or else

Are we out of peas yet?

P36	12-26-2023 14:37

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Originally Posted by Papa Zero Three (Post 677862)

You are so right. I d like to think people would be horrified to see behind the curtain of Big Data companies and the associated industries. XMode’ boasts their close to real time tracking with their SDK. And yet people don’t t anonymize their AD ID and keep downloading apps that track them and their POL. It’s a deliberately murky industry

JimP	12-27-2023 05:55

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Originally Posted by P36 (Post 678332)

Big data companies don't have the capacity (yet) to sick the FBI on innocent civilians - government does. Big data companies don't target and attack Mom's and Dad's at school board meetings- the Government does. Big data companies don't investigate the Catholic Church - government does. etc........

Ya'll sleep tight thinking the government won't misuse anything....just look at the thousands of fraudulent FBI queries under the patriot act that this current administration has performed. THOUSANDS.

We have turned into the Soviet Union: "Show me the man, and I'll show you the crime."

Hell, we have put political commissars into the ranks down into Brigade level in the form of DEI officers.

Our Republic is in peril.

sg1987

12-27-2023 07:16

^^^^^^^. I was just reading another thread and wondering… Just how much longer until the shooting starts??? …. and are we prepared? It seems we have a convergence of many problematic issues…. almost like it was orchestrated.

The thought-provoking post from another thread:

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“As the border continues the inflow of foreign nationals into America several condition will contribute to the lost of civility. Primarily, conflict will develop because of economic failures in employment due to skill and educational base knowledge, combined with the language barriers and the inability to assimilate culturally, compounded with an imbalance in male to female ratio will result in primal male instinct base violence.
Attached are a few articles that broadly address the social issue. imoo, cities will be the last place you will want to live. Suburban America will absorb the outflow of those who can afford to buy their temporary safety before the horde descends into their new neighborhood. 15-20 million males btw the ages of 16/30, what can go wrong?”

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