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Roguish Lawyer 06-04-2004 15:21

18D Ethical Issue
 
TR made a comment elsewhere that raised this issue in my mind:

When an 18D beats the living shit out of someone, is he then required to administer medical treatment?

LOL

Air.177 06-04-2004 15:24

I suppose one could see this ethical dilemma one of two ways, there is either a "Conflict of Interest"; or the 18D is just providing himself with Job security.

NousDefionsDoc 06-04-2004 15:40

WHAT THE HELL?

NousDefionsDoc 06-04-2004 15:43

"Special Forces Medical Sergeant"

In my day, we were called Special Operations Medical Sergeants

Notice what comes first in both cases. Its not called Medical Special Operations Sergeant. Makin' Martyrs comes first.

Eagle5US 06-04-2004 15:44

it depends...
 
I once beat the shit out of our junior weapons guy (who BTW did the 10 month Ranger school) for going to a DIFFERENT teams medic to get meds before a 25K foot HALO drop...the other medic didn't now about the drop, I didn't know about his drugs...he had rebound congestion, blew a sinus, and for treatment I broke his nose in the hallway when I found out what he had done. No additional "care" was given-at least not by me.

On the more serious side...once you cross the objective, anyone left still alive you have to care for. So...on crossing said OBJ, unless you want them as patients, mae sure they are dead.
Similiarly, 18D's were prohibited from being the primary shooters (snipers) when I was in B 2/7.


PA

NousDefionsDoc 06-04-2004 15:50

Quote:

Similiarly, 18D's were prohibited from being the primary shooters (snipers) when I was in B 2/7.
Mmmm. That's a new one for me. I was the long gun (not very good at it - no patience), #1 rabbit, etc., the whole time I was in. think maybe they didn't consider me a real medic? Message there somewhere.:D

mffjm8509 06-04-2004 16:16

Quote:

Originally posted by NousDefionsDoc
"Special Forces Medical Sergeant"

In my day, we were called Special Operations Medical Sergeants

Notice what comes first in both cases. Its not called Medical Special Operations Sergeant. Makin' Martyrs comes first.

Well said!

All of my guys are counseld on being gunfighters first. MOS responsibilities come second in my book.

My 18D is my primary shooter on the Barrett SWS, and quite the scrapper. Occasoinaly, someone else has to patch him up

mp

The Reaper 06-04-2004 16:50

Quote:

Originally posted by NousDefionsDoc
Mmmm. That's a new one for me. I was the long gun (not very good at it - no patience), #1 rabbit, etc., the whole time I was in. think maybe they didn't consider me a real medic? Message there somewhere.:D
Concur.

Charlie D. was one of the best shots on 753, and humped the long gun for them.

Must have been a more recent change.

Newbies!

TR

Guy 06-04-2004 17:21

How in the hell do provide medical treatment, if you run out there and get shot also?

Self aid...

Buddy aid...

Then once the shooting stops...here we come!

Shooter first then we provide Tx.

Jack Moroney (RIP) 06-04-2004 19:42

That is also news to me. Two of my best snipers were 18Ds. Sort of gave a whole new meaning to surgical precision.

Jack Moroney

mffjm8509 06-04-2004 19:55

Quote:

Originally posted by Guy
How in the hell do provide medical treatment, if you run out there and get shot also?

Then once the shooting stops...here we come!


Guy, I think I'm missing something.....

Do you really agree that an 18D should stay out of the fight unil aid is needed?

mp

NousDefionsDoc 06-04-2004 20:00

I'd like to meet the man that could keep Guy out of a fight. LOL

mffjm8509 06-04-2004 20:03

Quote:

Originally posted by NousDefionsDoc
I'd like to meet the man that could keep guy out of a fight. LOL
NDD,

I dont know Guy, but his posts here seem very level headed to me......

Thats why I think I missed something on that last post....

My medic will be fighting......I couldnt stop him if I wanted too....

Hell, he's fought me at more than one drunken team party....and thats exactly the kind of aggressiveness I want on my team no matter what MOS.

mp

The Reaper 06-04-2004 20:04

Quote:

Originally posted by NousDefionsDoc
I'd like to meet the man that could keep guy out of a fight. LOL
No problems, he is a little guy, about 3'6", if I remember correctly.

TR

NousDefionsDoc 06-04-2004 20:05

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Originally posted by The Reaper
No problems, he is a little guy, about 3'6", if I remember correctly.

TR

That one's going to leave a mark. LOL


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