Now qualified under House Bill 218
 

I just qualified under this H.B. last Sunday. It took almost 3 hours to do so too. We had about 12 "retired" LEO's in the class including me. Course was almost identical to the Ohio Police Officer's Training Academy(OPOTA) course. System was based on points. No less than 80 out of 100 and you passed. I fired 100 rounds of .45cal personally and aced the course.

Now the only problem with being able to carry in any state is the fact that you are on your own. If you shoot somebody, you are by yourself. This means that you don't have your old department to fall back on for some protection or even your past training. It will be you and your lawyer up on the stand and you alone that gets sued. Any of the lawyers here want to be on "retainer" for me, just in case?:eek:

Just FYI for those of you who are thinking about doing it.

I have not researched it fully but PLEA covers retired officers in that situation.

http://www.plea.net/HR218.htm

I think that is a good idea Goggles, and thanks for putting it up, but I have to wonder how long 20K criminal and 40K civil is going to last in a wrongful death suit.

I wish we could get nationwide CCW and tort reform, but I am afraid that is just pie in the sky.

TR

There presently is no nationwide CCW, however, are not States obliged to honor CCW from another State if one is on Vacation or passin' through?

No. You may only carry in the states with which your home state has an existing reciprocity agreement or where you have a non-resident CCW. Laws on "travelling" vary from state to state and do not permit concealed carry on your person.

WWW.PACKING.ORG

Very informative site on CCW for every state, including requirements, reciprocity alliances, citizen kill / engagement laws, carry free zome listings etc....


Eagle

Agreed, great site, although many of their maps are out of date now. Also, check the forums of new states that you haven't carried in before for the local interpretations of words like "premises" and "property", as well as signage requirements. In Texas, for example, those are much more liberal than other places; i.e., you can carry right up to the school house/church/government building's door and the signage law has many restrictions on it (most signs in use do to constitute "effective notice").

I have to agree with the 20K and 40K going very far. Most people today want to sue the Police for over a million or more.

Googles, interesting web site none the less. Since Sunday I have been doing some serious thinking in the "situational scenarios" arena about what I would do or not do. The only problem I am facing personally, is the fact that I am the type of person who wants to help everybody. I was like that when I was on the job and off duty as well. Now, I am faced with a huge dilemma. No departmental backing, no benefit of the Prosecutor's office on my behalf (yes, they are extremely friendly with LEO's), and no "Criticial Incident Assistance" from the state. The way it looks to me is that I have some sort of suped up, psuedo, advanced CCW. The only difference is that I can carry in all 50 states and Puerto Rico and not get arrested.

Besides the end, where is our world headed.

As noted already, this forces armed citizens to decide between helping someone else, or doing nothing unless you are directly threatened.

I already avoid getting involved in domestic disputes, unless kids are involved.

I wonder if the libs and sheeple really understand this.:rolleyes:

The Florida and Texas Castle type legislation is a great start and would affect my decision to live somewhere.

The North Eastern "must flee" laws befuddle me. The great NE patriots who founded this counrty would be ashamed.

TR

I remember sitting in a campus classroom the first time I heard the "must flee" law...absolutely ridiculous. I don't want to wish bad things on people so I will stop right there............

I've been looking for a reason to get to Texas....but living in the red part of a blue state will have to do for now....

TR, you have hit the nail on the head.

Since Sunday was a day of some "firsts" for me, I'll share with you another one I was told. For the first time ever in a classroom, I heard the phrase "shoot to wound". This was from the instructor who is a long time friend and retired SF MSG and retired APD Lieutenant. I could tell in his voice that he didn't like to say it but put it out there as another possible solution to stopping an individual. I told him afterwards that I didn't think in a moment of stress that I could actually think of something different than center of mass and/or the head. He agreed and told me that he had wished the law would have given us more protection. Especially so, because we are not associated with a department anymore. One other interesting Caveat was that on top of carrying our badges, retired ID, and H.B. 218 ID, we are to announce "Police Officer" when drawing our weapon. I cannot wait to read the first court case on this one.

Now I have a question for our Counselors here: If there is a shooting under H.B. 218, does this allow any of the Feds to get involved in any part of the case, hypothetically speaking?

What doe's it mean when it says MO will honer my NC permit? I understand Reciprocity but Honor NC permit? Awhile ago I printed out this map, shrunk it down and carry it in my wallet. To bad they don't keep it updated, now I have to read...dam.

It means as long as you comply with MO law, you may carry concealed there on your NC CCW permit.

It is your job to make sure you are in compliance.

TR

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