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El Cid 10-20-2005 15:11

If you HAD to carry a 9mm...
 
...what would it be? I love the 45ACP and it will always be my first choice, but let's say you were deploying to a "hot" area and could take any sidearm you want as long as it is a 9mm. What would you choose?

Mine would be (in order):

1) Para-Ordnance P18-9
2) HK USP9
3) Sig P226R Tactical
4) Browning Hi-Power MkIII (preferably customized)
5) CZ-75 (or 85)

The Glock is not on my list simply bcz of its grip angle and my body not getting along.

Trip_Wire (RIP) 10-20-2005 15:14

1) SIG 226R Tactical

2.) HK P-7 PSP

Bob1984 10-20-2005 16:03

#1 SIG P226R
#2 CZ75
#3 Browning MKIII (I'm comfortable with cocked and locked)
#4 USP 9

Smokin Joe 10-20-2005 16:46

Glock 34
Glock 17
USP 9
USP 2000 in 9mm

Tuukka 10-20-2005 16:54

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USP 9x19mm

dpesec 10-20-2005 20:37

My choices would are:
Glock 26
92FS

Ambush Master 10-20-2005 21:11

I carried a Browning Hi-Power the whole time I was in RVN and it saved my ass numerous times !! I still have it (along with a couple of others) and would go to ground with it in a heartbeat !!

kgoerz 10-20-2005 21:50

9mm
 
A stick with a nail on the end of it..........Just adding some humor guys. Your choices above are great. Having been in the Army for many years I would take the Berretta because I fired it so much I don't have to think how to operate it in a stressful situation/Gunfight. I made sure I had three guns when I left the Army. Berretta (vertec) M-4 and an M-24 SWS. Those are the three guns I can operate with muscle memory.

swatsurgeon 10-21-2005 04:51

Don't get caught up in the caliber of pistol, just carry Le Mas ammo and the 9mm will do what you want it to...put them down where they'll stay.
SHOT PLACEMENT....a .45 to a non-vital area will allow the bad guy to keep shooting at you. .22 to the snotlocker will generally stop them in 1 shot.
Carry the para with 18+1 in it...more ammo with more 'lethal' ammo is what I would take anywhere.
ss

Pete 10-21-2005 06:25

Yeah, what he said
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by swatsurgeon
SHOT PLACEMENT....a .45 to a non-vital area will allow the bad guy to keep shooting at you. .22 to the snotlocker will generally stop them in 1 shot.

Yeah, what SS said. Practice, practice, practice and one well placed shot beats the hell out of 5 wild shots.

I'm no help on pistols as I'm more dangerous with one if I throw it at you instead of shooting it at you ( slight exageration :D ).

MAB32 10-21-2005 14:12

My G34
Browning Hi-Power

STR8SHTR 10-22-2005 10:37

First choice would be a Sig in 226R DAK or 229R DAK. Second choice would be a Glock 17 or G19.

longtab 10-22-2005 12:52

From your list of choices I would carry the Sig P226R Tactical. However on hits or Team "functions" I carry the standard SF M9 Beretta with Brigadier slide for the sake of ammo continuity. I shot over 10,000 rds thru my M9 this last Iraq rotation and it performed fine. The cheapo ammo we issued to our Iraqi counter-parts would cause the M9 to function slower, but is still functioned.

Caveat: When I was alone, or with non-Team guys on anything other than a hit I would carry my Kimber Custom... its a little harder walk away from a .45 ACP hole in your chest.

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Originally Posted by Pete
Yeah, what SS said. Practice, practice, practice and one well placed shot beats the hell out of 5 wild shots.

I'm no help on pistols as I'm more dangerous with one if I throw it at you instead of shooting it at you ( slight exageration :D ).

Remember the old adage "beware of the man with one gun"? He can typically keep the keyhole pretty small.

L51 10-23-2005 09:19

USP Compact 9

or my new FN Hi Power (soon to be on its way to be customized).

NousDefionsDoc 10-23-2005 09:31

Whatever is free and goes bang when I pull the trigger.

I don't have much of a model or maker preference when it comes to screwdrivers or hammers either. Although I do like the Craftsman guarantee.

FROST18E 10-23-2005 13:59

I'm not a fan of the M9, so if I actually was to have a choice I would choose the springfield XD9. Simple like a Glock, but with the grip cant of a 1911. I purchased one when springfield first started selling them and its a fantastic pistol. very accurate.

longrange1947 10-23-2005 15:04

I'd probably kill myself. :D

G 10-23-2005 17:53

Browning HP

Glock 19

G

Rudyak 11-04-2005 15:03

Browning Hi-Power.

Team Sergeant 11-04-2005 17:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by longrange1947
I'd probably kill myself. :D


Ditto......


9mm- A .45 set to stun..


TS

longrange1947 11-04-2005 21:23

I never really understood the whole 9mm thing. I mean think about it, 9mm is nothing more than a 38 Special in a smaller case. :p

Wonder Nine, as in I Wonder why anyone uses the dam thing. :D

QRQ 30 11-04-2005 21:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by longrange1947
I never really understood the whole 9mm thing. I mean think about it, 9mm is nothing more than a 38 Special in a smaller case. :p

Wonder Nine, as in I Wonder why anyone uses the dam thing. :D

A whole bunch of Germans did. In fact the 9 mm parabellum was not only standard pistol round in Europe but also for SMG's, i.e. MP 42 and Brit Sten, and Sterling. We had several silenced Sterlings in SOG.

HOLLiS 11-05-2005 11:07

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Originally Posted by QRQ 30
A whole bunch of Germans did. In fact the 9 mm parabellum was not only standard pistol round in Europe but also for SMG's, i.e. MP 42 and Brit Sten, and Sterling. We had several silenced Sterlings in SOG.

QRQ, growing up after WWII, I heard a lot of the German stuff, and the think was if it was German is was excellent stuff. For a 9mm, I was thinking of a UZI carbine. One nine may be ineffective but a whole swarm of them would be better. I really agree with TS quote, 9mm is 45 set on stun. Another QP said a pistol was something to fight with untilQRQ and lksteve, thanks. I check a Army site, "Center for Military History". There is no mention of the change but it seemed to have changed around the RVN period. There is another cite too, both on the History, citations. The Army site had some interesting stats, seems prior to WWII receiving the Medal and still being alive to receive it was very common, after WWII, that was not the case. In my Battalion we had three Marines who received the MOH, two from my company. They were all KIAed.

On Fox news, they said only about 4% of the coverage of the war is positive. I think the media is doing a GREAT disservice to the American People. (where I am not sure of the quote from here on) "Until you get a real gun, ie; Rifle". General opinion Pistols were for the non-combatants, even our Doc preferred the M 16. Carrying a pistol ment not carrying something else.

Smokin Joe 11-05-2005 13:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by HOLLiS
QRQ, growing up after WWII, I heard a lot of the German stuff, and the think was if it was German is was excellent stuff. For a 9mm, I was thinking of a UZI carbine. One nine may be ineffective but a whole swarm of them would be better. I really agree with TS quote, 9mm is 45 set on stun. Another QP said a pistol was something to fight with untilQRQ and lksteve, thanks. I check a Army site, "Center for Military History". There is no mention of the change but it seemed to have changed around the RVN period. There is another cite too, both on the History, citations. The Army site had some interesting stats, seems prior to WWII receiving the Medal and still being alive to receive it was very common, after WWII, that was not the case. In my Battalion we had three Marines who received the MOH, two from my company. They were all KIAed.

On Fox news, they said only about 4% of the coverage of the war is positive. I think the media is doing a GREAT disservice to the American People. (where I am not sure of the quote from here on) "Until you get a real gun, ie; Rifle". General opinion Pistols were for the non-combatants, even our Doc preferred the M 16. Carrying a pistol ment not carrying something else.


WTF?

longrange1947 11-05-2005 14:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smokin Joe
WTF?

Think maybe he was "smokin" to much at Joe's? :D

Smokin Joe 11-05-2005 16:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by longrange1947
Think maybe he was "smokin" to much at Joe's? :D

LOL

Glad I'm not the only one who thought that.

HOLLiS 11-05-2005 16:23

LR and Joe............ I gotta agree with you. When I hit submit, somehow my puter move me to another thread and it combined two text into one. Don't know what happened. It should have been:

"QRQ, growing up after WWII, I heard a lot of the German stuff, and the think was if it was German is was excellent stuff. For a 9mm, I was thinking of a UZI carbine. One nine may be ineffective but a whole swarm of them would be better. I really agree with TS quote, 9mm is 45 set on stun. Another QP said a pistol was something to fight with (where I am not sure of the quote from here on) "Until you get a real gun, ie; Rifle". General opinion in RVN Pistols were for the non-combatants, even our Doc preferred the M 16. Carrying a pistol ment not carrying something else."

I really don't know what happened, But I have to check what my wife has been putting in my coffee. Maybe that was not Oregeno???:eek:

HOLLiS 11-05-2005 16:27

Dang, I could not edit the above for better reading, When I hit Save, it would kick me off to the sign in screen........... :confused:

longrange1947 11-06-2005 08:54

Quote:

QRQ, growing up after WWII, I heard a lot of the German stuff, and the think was if it was German is was excellent stuff. For a 9mm, I was thinking of a UZI carbine. One nine may be ineffective but a whole swarm of them would be better. I really agree with TS quote, 9mm is 45 set on stun. Another QP said a pistol was something to fight with (where I am not sure of the quote from here on) "Until you get a real gun, ie; Rifle". General opinion in RVN Pistols were for the non-combatants, even our Doc preferred the M 16. Carrying a pistol ment not carrying something else."


Hollis - You been reading my posts too much. Only I am allowed to have that many typos, misspelled words and dropped words in one sentence! Hell, I think you even made a few up!!! :D

HOLLiS 11-06-2005 22:26

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Originally Posted by longrange1947
Hollis - You been reading my posts too much. Only I am allowed to have that many typos, misspelled words and dropped words in one sentence! Hell, I think you even made a few up!!! :D

LR we Marines where thought to Improvise, I did not realize it would be so confusing for others/;)

APLP 11-07-2005 14:42

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Originally Posted by swatsurgeon
Don't get caught up in the caliber of pistol, just carry Le Mas ammo and the 9mm will do what you want it to...put them down where they'll stay.
SHOT PLACEMENT....a .45 to a non-vital area will allow the bad guy to keep shooting at you. .22 to the snotlocker will generally stop them in 1 shot.
Carry the para with 18+1 in it...more ammo with more 'lethal' ammo is what I would take anywhere.
ss

A little of the military/law enforcement armor piercing below in 9mm, .40cal, and .45acp

KBAR_O4 11-11-2005 09:45

My HK P8 9mm. Its never failed me, although those funky white magazines take a little getting used to. Otherwise:

Glock 19(reliable and probably one of the most size efficient 9 mils around)

I do like the feel of the HK USP compact but Ive not fired them much. Ive fired the German P10 but Im not sure how it compares.

Tuukka 11-11-2005 10:02

KBAR_O4, the P10 is essentially the USP Compact, the only differences being the spurred hammer and P10 markings.

VelociMorte 11-11-2005 10:31

Glock 19, 124gr. Hydra-Shoks, 17-round mags, and Trijicon tritium sights.

Air.177 11-11-2005 10:44

Glock 17 or Kahr K9 stoked with Black Hills 124gr. +p loading of the speer Gold Dot HP carried in a Comp-tac IWB, Delfatti Belt rig, or Miami classic shoulder rig

Smokin Joe 11-11-2005 16:53

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... Miami classic shoulder rig

Wow Air I didn't think you where old enough to be tainted by Corket and Tubbs.

Tuukka 11-11-2005 17:09

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Originally Posted by Smokin Joe
Wow Air I didn't think you where old enough to be tainted by Corket and Tubbs.

Incidentally, the last episode of Miami Vice aired tonight over here, re-runs of course.

Smokin Joe 11-11-2005 17:57

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Originally Posted by Tuukka
Incidentally, the last episode of Miami Vice aired tonight over here, re-runs of course.

I'm a little worried about you Tuukka... and the fact that you knew when the last episode of Miami Vice aired:confused:

I recommend a strong dose ESPN outdoor, healthy women, and dark beer.

Air.177 11-12-2005 00:51

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Originally Posted by Smokin Joe
Wow Air I didn't think you where old enough to be tainted by Corket and Tubbs.


Hey man, I found one at a price that couldn't be passed up, and it works well for my purposes. It is not the best possible setup, but it does what I need, and in an economical manner to boot.

Tuukka 11-12-2005 08:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smokin Joe
I'm a little worried about you Tuukka... and the fact that you knew when the last episode of Miami Vice aired:confused:

I recommend a strong dose ESPN outdoor, healthy women, and dark beer.

Joe, that was yesterday. The healthy/intelligent women and dark beer is for today, will Velkopopovický Kozel Černý suffice ?


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