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BMT (RIP) 08-29-2014 09:53

ISIS
 
“We cannot appease this ideology. We have to confront it at home and abroad ... We are in the middle of a generational struggle against a poisonous and extremist ideology that I believe we will be fighting for years and probably decades.”

British Prime Minister David Cameron addressed the threat of ISIS and Islamic extremism during a press conference in London.

I wonder if ZERO an Kerry understands what the PM said?

BMT

Trapper John 08-29-2014 10:16

I don't doubt that they (Zero and Son of Zero) understand. However, they are so far over their heads on this issue I really doubt that they have a clue as to how to handle the problem and, more importantly, I am certain they will not do what is necessary to meet the threat.

i heard a comment yesterday from someone that I respect and I think there is lot of truth in it: "We have gone from a pacifist culture that can win wars to an aggressive culture that lose wars."

DIYPatriot 08-29-2014 10:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by BMT (Post 561171)
“We cannot appease this ideology. We have to confront it at home and abroad ... We are in the middle of a generational struggle against a poisonous and extremist ideology that I believe we will be fighting for years and probably decades.”

British Prime Minister David Cameron addressed the threat of ISIS and Islamic extremism during a press conference in London.

I wonder if ZERO an Kerry understands what the PM said?

BMT

Meanwhile, back on the farm....

Quote:

“We don’t have a strategy yet,” Obama said in a Thursday news conference. The startling — and troubling — admission came hours after videos surfaced showing the militants marching at least 150 Syrian soldiers through the desert — stripped to their underwear and barefoot. The troops were then executed, their bullet-riddled and slashed bodies arranged in a crescent moon that stretched across the desert. “Yes, we have executed them all,” an ISIS fighter told Reuters.

Hours after the disturbing images were released, Police Commissioner Bill Bratton said the NYPD was keeping an eye on the Middle East. He was particularly concerned about American jihadists — some from our area — returning to wreak havoc back home.
Full Article

Lighthouse 08-29-2014 10:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trapper John (Post 561172)
"We have gone from a pacifist culture that can win wars to an aggressive culture that lose wars."

That's a hard pill to swallow. Letting this sink is really heartbreaking. The short memory of our countrymen and women is the downfall. Does it take something seriously dramatic happening here in the homeland for people to let men like you and others to the business that you all do best? As much as I would love to see ME action die down, the other side will never stop. They just seem to regroup.

BTW thank you guys for making it easy for my family to sleep at night.

Old Dog New Trick 08-29-2014 11:19

No, sadly our country is currently operating without a rudder. Captain Obvious is standing at the helm swinging hard left and right (like an amusement park kiddy ride) and there is no linkage between the wheel and the rudder.

Somehow I doubt the British PM even grasps the magnitude of these events in history and history will be published for all to see the failures of inaction at a time when action is necessary - on all fronts!

Team Sergeant 08-29-2014 12:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by BMT (Post 561171)
“We cannot appease this ideology. We have to confront it at home and abroad ... We are in the middle of a generational struggle against a poisonous and extremist ideology that I believe we will be fighting for years and probably decades.”

British Prime Minister David Cameron addressed the threat of ISIS and Islamic extremism during a press conference in London.

I wonder if ZERO an Kerry understands what the PM said?

BMT

Wow, I've been saying this for years...... and finally a real Western head of state says the same thing.......

Sorry, but it applies to all islam, it should not be treated as a religion but as a extremist ideology that needs to be neutralized, globally.

This is why Zero is not acting, he's a mooslem at heart and we are a nation of idiots.

Trapper John 08-29-2014 12:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lighthouse (Post 561174)
Does it take something seriously dramatic happening here in the homeland for people to let men like you and others to the business that you all do best?

Short answer IMHO: Yes! Recent history seems to bear out that opinion too.

Five-O 08-29-2014 13:04

]We have a president that does not have a strategy on Iraq Syria Egypt Ukraine Libya isis or our southern border. By contrast, Cameron is showing leadership and decisiveness... It's embarrassing.

Paslode 08-29-2014 13:34

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Originally Posted by Five-O (Post 561186)
]We have a president that does not have a strategy on Iraq Syria Egypt Ukraine Libya isis or our southern border.

The appearance of not having a strategy could be a strategy.

CDRODA396 08-29-2014 14:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lighthouse (Post 561174)
Does it take something seriously dramatic happening here in the homeland for people to let men like you and others to the business that you all do best?

Not only yes, but sadly also recurring. Something needs to happen every couple of years or the American Public's memory will fade and the will to do what's right quickly follows. We've seen this in our lifetime. 9/11 might as well been a hundred years ago in the minds of too many...oh, they celebrate the fallen on the day, but the will to continue to press the fight globally to prevent a similar attack is all but a forgotten sentiment in most. The question is will enough warriors be left when the threat shows up on our shore in mass..?

Trapper John 08-29-2014 14:08

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Originally Posted by CDRODA396 (Post 561189)
The question is will enough warriors be left when the threat shows up on our shore in mass..?

BINGO!!

Old Dog New Trick 08-29-2014 14:21

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Originally Posted by CDRODA396 (Post 561189)
The question is will enough warriors be left when the threat shows up on our shore in mass..?

Yes, but, several thousand more sheep will need to be sacrificed along the way. I fear that more social and constitutional liberties will be squashed and squandered by the political elite and liberal media before they wake up and realize they are in deep trouble and in need of warriors to restore the peace through bloodshed and violence. Sometimes, it's the only thing some animals respect and submit to.

LarryW 08-29-2014 14:49

It’s clear that the Executive Branch will not have the means (the “partners” the “coalition”) overseas or at home to deal with the threat. It’s coming. Heard a talking head last night say the greater threat in this environment is from PRC. For instance, with all the hoopla going on everywhere else this would be the time to annex the Paracel Islands. For that matter, any thug-run camp can choose this moment in history to make its move. Golf Boy and Pinhead won’t do shit. They couldn’t find their willie with both hands.

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Originally Posted by Old Dog New Trick (Post 561191)
Yes, but, several thousand more sheep will need to be sacrificed along the way. I fear that more social and constitutional liberties will be squashed and squandered by the political elite and liberal media before they wake up and realize they are in deep trouble and in need of warriors to restore the peace through bloodshed and violence. Sometimes, it's the only thing some animals respect and submit to.

You're right, ODNT. DoJ and DHS are not coordinated enough to manage or even grasp the disaster in time to do anything about it at home. So, what can an old gas bag in rural Virginia do? Keep a watchful eye on the goings on, stock up on jerky, then lock & load and standby to standby. I’m gray and dusty but I can still learn. Lead the way, y’all. (Sitting on my ass ain't an option.) Mindset and treachery are trump.

Lighthouse 08-29-2014 14:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by CDRODA396 (Post 561189)
Not only yes, but sadly also recurring. Something needs to happen every couple of years or the American Public's memory will fade and the will to do what's right quickly follows. We've seen this in our lifetime. 9/11 might as well been a hundred years ago in the minds of too many...oh, they celebrate the fallen on the day, but the will to continue to press the fight globally to prevent a similar attack is all but a forgotten sentiment in most. The question is will enough warriors be left when the threat shows up on our shore in mass..?

The most ironic thing about this is it was two of the most tolerant states in the nation that were last attacked. Go figure. The you have this guy being charged with workplace violence

http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/28/us/isi...ter/index.html
:confused:

tonyz 08-29-2014 15:14

Wow, imagine that...here's a little heads up from your favorite source golf boy - full article at link below.

Britain Raises Terrorism Threat Level to ‘Severe’

By ALAN COWELLAUG. 29, 2014

LONDON — Alarmed by the suspected presence of hundreds of British jihadis among Sunni militants in Syria and Iraq, Britain increased its assessment of the terrorism threat on its own soil on Friday and said new laws would be introduced to counter what Prime Minister David Cameron called “a greater threat to our security than we have seen before.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/30/wo...=top-news&_r=0

Go Devil 08-29-2014 15:24

I can confirm that, should that black flag be raised near my nest in the states, there'd be little waiting on TPTB and those ass hats would readily be smoked and swinging from street lights.

The Reaper 08-29-2014 16:57

First, if you do not have a strategy, you never admit that. You can always say that you are working on it. Let them guess whether you actually do or not.

Second, I am pretty sure that there was no strategy in place on 9/11 stating that if Al Qaeda hijacked and crashed four airplanes in the US and killed 3,000 Americans, our plan was to invade Afghanistan and go after them.

Nonetheless, and like him or not, President Bush and his administration put boots on the ground in country working to overthrow the Taliban and attack Al Qaeda in fourteen days.

The first SF ODA hit the ground and went to doing our jobs in 39 days. The evidence of their success is evident, and the Taliban quickly fell.

What is the current administration doing to destroy ISIL and remove them from Iraqi territory? Who knows?

Do they have a plan, if not a strategy? How many people work in government for just such contingencies and strategy development, and what are they doing to earn their paychecks lately?

Next, the wussification of America and the military is evident. We have dropped combat effectiveness for a grand social experiment. We want a bloodless war, like people got used to in Desert Storm. What these thugs need to see is Old Testament violence and punishment. No mercy, no quarter. Bomb them even further into the Stone Age, shoot every one of them, unleash Hell fire, and salt the earth of their people. Hamburg. Berlin. Tokyo. Dresden. Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Give the residents a couple of days to force out the ISIL scum on their own, and then we punish them. Make an example of the first few cities, so that they fear us more than ISIL. Use the Iraqi Army to fight and secure the population centers. Kill deserters. Create a highway of death and a string of burning vehicles and dead bodies all the way back to the Syrian border like DS. Then offer to continue the attack inside Syria if there are any more problems with ISIL. Seize their funds. Attack their infrastructure. Initiate PSYOP messaging to those who might be inclined to support our enemies, or oppose us. Divide their alliances. I don't want Americans on the ground again in Iraq, but since I want ISIL on the ground in the US even less, we will do what we have to.

You want a strategy? Here you go. Or strategy is to use every means at our disposal to kill every ISIL member and sympathizer we can find who remains inside Iraq in 72 hours. We reserve the right to start early if it pleases us. Go home now or die. And here is another thing. I don't want to hear any shit about departure plans and dates till victory has been achieved. We are staying till the job is done and the last shot is fired. By us.

Finally, if you travel outside the US to attend this party, you are immediately and permanently stripped of your US passport and citizenship. And your families go on the watch list as potential collaborators.

BTW, the rest of the military not involved in this action are deploying to secure our southern border. Better late then never.

That is all.

TR

Old Dog New Trick 08-29-2014 17:12

TR - Hell yea's!!!

Anyone and I mean anyone's found here after dark with a weapon, mask, hoodie, or up to no good will be killed. Anyone in close proximity may also be killed!

Insah Allah!

Sohei 08-29-2014 17:18

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Originally Posted by The Reaper (Post 561207)
...Your Post...

No truer words have been spoken!

Old Dog New Trick 08-29-2014 18:40

My strategy if I were POTUS or SECDEF would be to say enough of this crap. I would put every non-state sponsored "terrorist" group in the world on notice that their time has come to an end. Work feverishly with the governments in control of the areas and announce that, at a time of my choosing swoop in and destroy the maximum numbers of terrorist members for as long as it takes to change their ways.

ISIL - ISIS - Boca Haram - Al Qaeda (and all affiliated groups) - Abu Sayyaf - Al Shabaab - etc...etc... We know where you are or soon will, and we will use the full force of the American intelligence and armed forces to eliminate you, and anyone associated with you, from the face of this earth. The end is near, your time is over!

This is not a - repeat - not a whack a mole (terrorist) campaign, it's smash the entire nest and kill the eggs. It will go on as long as it takes and each attack will last only long enough to destroy what's found then return to bases and prepare and train for the next raid. It will be carried out with our Special Operations Forces, ground troops, air power, and stand off weapon systems unique to the only world super power and why we are a world super power you have mistakenly choosen to mess with. We will not get bogged down or distracted with nation building, but each nation that agrees to allow us to eradicate a cancer that grows within their border will benefit from a mutual desire for world peace and prosperity.

We have officially declared war on terrorism and there will be an end this time, not an open ended proposition without a clear end state. "Your death, our survival, your choice."

Anyway, that's a start...it's easy to achieve just have to set the wheels in motion and commit to it.

dollarbill 08-29-2014 19:21

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/911..._code=11onmblf

For those that think the 2nd Amendment wasn't written for our modern times. You might want to pull your head out of the sand, buy a weapon or two and get to the f'ing range. As we all know,the ass wipes are here. It's just a matter of when and will they be two fighting fronts. One on our soil the other in the Mid-East.

Trapper John 08-30-2014 06:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Reaper (Post 561207)
.... entire Post......TR

NOW THAT'S A PLAN!!! Allah Fubar!

Remington Raidr 08-30-2014 08:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trapper John (Post 561233)
Allah Fubar!

I am SO stealing that . . .:D

dollarbill 08-30-2014 09:20

What ever happened to the good ole days? Our elected officials would sit at the round table and come up with contingent plans. You remember, if this happens we'll react this way. If that happens, this is the best way to approach it. Our play book seems to be empty,we're looseing face with our allies and the country is going to hell. Zero, the son's and daughters of Zero seem to be the top players on the opposing team. TR seems to have about the best contingent plan there is. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that if you don't have a starting point, you'll be hard pressed to have a finishing point. Maybe TR should consider finding an office in DC. I'd be willing to bet that's been passed across the table a few times.

Sohei 08-30-2014 12:24

ISIS members aren't rational and can't be rationalized with. They are lunatics with weapons and impunity who are running around like juveniles in a toy store and no one there to stop them from doing whatever it is they want to.

The only way to deal with them is to terminate them from existence.

LarryW 08-30-2014 13:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brush Okie (Post 561247)
When I read about ISIS it reminds me of the old testament and makes sense why God commanded the eradication of entire towns. It makes more sense to me now more than ever. You have to eradicate evil or it will grow back. Giving into or trying to make peace with evil only weakens your position. It has been proven time and time again with Hitler, Stalin and now ISIS.

That's what we need...some Old Testament justice. I'm for fire and brimstoning ISIS no matter where they appear. Green glass is beautiful.

While you're at it you might as well include Putin on that list. He's revealed himself to be a shit stain.

frostfire 08-31-2014 15:28

perhaps al-Baghdadi can meet the same fate as Ahmad Shah Massoud. We don't saction it, but give them a taste of their own medicine. With that much brutality towards non-sunni-extremist-commited, there are no shortage of volunteer I'm sure. Full deniability on our part.

tom kelly 09-02-2014 18:37

STRATEGY?????
 
Joe Biden is in charge; He is working on a plan that will be ready by Jan.20,2017.

cetheridge 09-02-2014 22:56

Senator Isakson Gets It
 
Senator Johnny Isakson (Rep., Georgia) seems to have read TR's post.

http://www.11alive.com/story/news/na...nate/15002753/

Now, let's see if some action will be taken by Congress, because it certainly won't be by the Golf Boy who just jetted off to Europe....probably to play a round at St. Andrews.

Stobey 09-03-2014 01:56

TR's message was excellent. To that I would add the message of John Wayne's character in the movie The Longest Day: "Send 'em to hell."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfpqSxEAJDA


:lifter

Lighthouse 09-03-2014 07:40

This seems to be on the path to getting worse before it gets better. Do you think its time for the general population to seriously consider learning the enemy language to remain vigilant or should we just continue range time and a serious look at disaster plans?

Stobey 09-03-2014 09:31

Lighthouse said: "This seems to be on the path to getting worse before it gets better. Do you think its time for the general population to seriously consider learning the enemy language to remain vigilant or should we just continue range time and a serious look at disaster plans?"


I think some of the QPs on this site could answer that question far better than I could. I would say this however, than non-muzlims should read the quran and haddiths to get some idea of what izlam really is all about. And I can assure you that it is not a "religion of peace".

Keep in mind when you read the quran that it is not sequenced chronologically, but from longest to shortest suras. Keep in mind also that the concept of "abrogation" applies - meaning that the earlier, more peaceful and tolerant (Meccan) suras have been abrogated by the later bloodthirsty (Medina) suras. Which is why you need additional references of the life and the sayings of Mad Mo to figure out izlam.

tonyz 09-03-2014 10:44

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Originally Posted by Stobey (Post 561542)
Lighthouse said: "This seems to be on the path to getting worse before it gets better. Do you think its time for the general population to seriously consider learning the enemy language to remain vigilant or should we just continue range time and a serious look at disaster plans?"


I think some of the QPs on this site could answer that question far better than I could. I would say this however, than non-muzlims should read the quran and haddiths to get some idea of what izlam really is all about. And I can assure you that it is not a "religion of peace".

Keep in mind when you read the quran that it is not sequenced chronologically, but from longest to shortest suras. Keep in mind also that the concept of "abrogation" applies - meaning that the earlier, more peaceful and tolerant (Meccan) suras have been abrogated by the later bloodthirsty (Medina) suras. Which is why you need additional references of the life and the sayings of Mad Mo to figure out izlam.

A very brief refresher on the enemy at link below - there are pages and pages of additional discussions and links on this board.

"This is the unedited version of Fitna prior to Live Leak editing it down after receiving death threats if they did not remove FITNA immediately. Geert Wilders brings us the truth about Islam and the Koran."

http://vimeo.com/20710133

Stobey 09-03-2014 16:05

2 Attachment(s)
Thanks TonyZ, for that timely reminder. I did watch Fitna last year; but it is always good to be reminded of just what we are up against - the longest running con Satan ever pulled! Muzlims are its first victims; but they are too brainwashed into this cult of evil to realize or understand that. It generally takes an epiphany of the highest magnitude for any of them to take a long and critical look at the evil they have embraced. When that happens - when Jesus has touched them with grace, the transformation is astonishing.

The pictures below depict muzlim, and muzlim convert to Christianity.

tonyz 09-03-2014 16:58

Stobey, I was pretty sure that you had seen FITNA - but others passing through may not have - and there is also a wealth of previous discussion on this board - and the initial question to you allowed an opportunity for me to refer to this wealth of discussion. Here is but a small sample that will keep those interested busy for hours.

http://www.professionalsoldiers.com/...=Radical+Islam

http://www.professionalsoldiers.com/...=Radical+Islam

http://www.professionalsoldiers.com/...=Radical+Islam

http://www.professionalsoldiers.com/...=Radical+Islam

http://www.professionalsoldiers.com/...=Radical+Islam

http://www.professionalsoldiers.com/...=Radical+Islam

Nonstop24/7 09-03-2014 17:19

TR has the right idea...Talking heads have made announcements about Pentagon having plans for months, that Zero was briefed for many months about rapid expansion of ISIIS. Zero apparently doesn't want to offend any Muslims at this point.
His constant effort to avoid saying Islamic Extremists, or Radical Islam seems to show where he is either being loyal to his beliefs or politically correct.
What has happened to the US intelligence community?
They haven't refuted the line of Zero and his robots.
No doubt it will have to come to the total destruction of ISIS, no matter how long it takes.
We desperately need some leadership with our military on the front burner.

tonyz 09-04-2014 05:44

Jordanian TV 2011
 
A short interview from a few years back (I doubt that similar views have softened) illustrating the perspective of those that seek world domination.

The WH proposes we "manage" this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KE7aKk6hgV4&app=desktop

DIYPatriot 09-04-2014 11:59

ISIS vs Chechens
 
While zero plays golf and works on a manageable low-footprint plan to play nicely with his muslim counterparts in the newly formed caliphate, the Chechens are looking forward to unleashing hell on ISIS. I wouldn't mind seeing these two go at it. :munchin

Quote:

The latest recipients of an Islamic State threat are responding in kind, with Chechen leader Ramzan Kadyrov vowing that "these bastards" will be "destroyed." Kadyrov, a close ally of Russian President Vladimir Putin, went on an Instagram rant after Islamic State posted a video threatening Putin over his support for Syria's Bashar al-Assad and vowing to liberate Chechnya. The Muslim strongman, who has fought Islamic militants in his backyard for years, seemed to take special umbrage at a threat aimed at his patron in Moscow.

"I state with full responsibility that the one who had the idea to express a threat to Russia and say the name of the president of the country Vladimir Putin, will be destroyed, where he did it," Kadyrov seethed. "I emphasize that they finish their days under the hot sun in Syria and Iraq, and in the first instant of death meet their eternal flames of Hell. Allahu Akbar!"
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"I want to remind everyone who is planning something against our country, that Russia has worthy sons, ready to fulfill any order, wring the neck of any enemy in his own lair, wherever he may be," Kadyrov wrote. "And we find ourselves with happiness ridding the world of these scum."
Full Article

cbtengr 09-04-2014 17:12

What makes these people tick? This guy dreamed of being in the 82D and being SF. Hagel says we have 100 known American citizens serving in ISIS, I think it's time to revoke some citizenships.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...errorists.html

He failed to pass the grade, and with his childhood dream in tatters he turned instead to a career in law enforcement, becoming a sheriff's deputy.

He said: 'My entire life growing up was surrounded by the idea that I would be 82nd Airborne, I would be Special Forces, I would serve dutifully – duty, honor and country.
'Later I thought that I would make this [law enforcement] my substitution for what I thought was going to be, in the beginning, a military career, an achievement, leadership.'


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