Does your self defense work?
 

Per NDD's orders . . .

How do you know your self defense will work?

I had the opportunity to use the self defense I teach last year. I stopped in at the local Winn Dixie to pick up a few things my wife called about. It was after class so I had my dobok on with 'The Belt'. I had just left the store with my bag in one hand and my keys in the other. A guy was approaching me and started making the appropriate karate movie sounds and hand motions. I just smiled and nodded my head like I usually do. As he walked past he grabbed my left wrist. Without thinking I dropped the bag and keys I was carrying and grabbed his hand with my free hand. Using a wrist joint lock I took the guy down probably using a little more force than I should have. I actually held my temper as I didn't kick him, picked up my stuff and left.

I train 4 to 5 times a week for at least 2 hours. How often do you train at whatever you do? Are you confident it works? Why?

Didn't hurt a bit did it?

I've been doing something different lately. As a cool down from PT, I've been doing some combatives combinations at Tai Chi speed. Chin jabs, axe hands - that kind of thing. I tried to teach myself Tai Chi from a video tape, but I kept hurting my neck from looking over my should at the screen.

I also hit the bag a couple of times a week. I plan on ordering some rubber AF fighters so I can start working on that (the real deal is much too sharp to learn on).

Well after reading all the various posts on this net I have taken a new tact. I simply stand my ground and hand them a calling card with AL 's address on one side and RL's address on the other. :D

Jack Moroney

LOL

Re: Does your self defense work?
 

By doing what you did and actualy using it.

Most schools dont hit which is why a lot of guys take some type of "martial art" for a few years then get their noses bloodied by some punk.

Ive seen a few styles and trained a bit myself. I have come to the conclusion it almost doesnt matter what "style" you take as long as you hit and get hit.

Using it in the street is a dangerous proposition however.

What I look for in a school is if they actualy spar and hit. Competition in the ring helps too and by that I dont mean point systems.

Lethality aside, Ive noticed that true hitting styles like boxing, kick boxing, and grappling like brazilian jujitsu or sambo dominate UFC.

You did say self defense, not martial art-

ccrn

Re: Does your self defense work?
 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Kyobanim
[B]Per NDD's orders . . .

How do you know your self defense will work?

QUOTE]

To get a little more serious here, I never know what will or will not work and I never plan ahead of time as to what I am going to do as most of what I have ever done ,with the exception of wrestling and of course those times in hockey when payback was in order, has mainly been in a reactive vice a proactive scenario. I am not into styles, types, or an art of anytype that you folks are. I just take whatever is presented and deal with it as best I can.

Jack Moroney

Bruce Lee in one sentence. Well said Sir.

I'm 64 1/2 years old, don't start shit, don't take shit and still have all of my parts. I guess it works.

:cool:

You just made my day, you are older than me!

Thanks, I needed that.:D

Terry

Like James Caan said in a movie to a young punk who got into his face:

"The only thing you can assume about an old guy like me is that I am a survivor!":)

By the way, anybody else here like Kelly McCann's stuff while we are on the subject?

Ooh, Ooh! That's me!

NDD,

I purchased his "Combatives" tapes almost 2-years ago. I have yet to find anything better. Have you?

He's got a bunch out over on Paladin. That's all I know that's out. He's been busy since 9/11. The shooting tapes are good as well, he's as good as anybody I know with a Glock (I haven't seen Guy shoot).

I have originals of the first shooting tapes (before they went public and were edited).

I used to train with him 3-4 times a year for 10-14 days at a time.

NDD:

Those shooting tapes wouldn't be the four volume set he had out 3-4 years ago? Didn't one tape in the series deal with fighting with folders or something to that fact?

3 tapes, all guns. The knives etc were in the works. he gave me these his own bad self.

What would I need to do in order for you to make me a copy, that is if you are willing?

Can't. When he gave them to me I promised I wouldn't. That was 9 years ago. he hasn't released me from the promise and I haven't copied them. Sorry.

http://www.paladin-press.com/detail.aspx?ID=360

This is the same thing from what I understand. He probably added some stuff since its 4 now. Is this the one you have?

TS- this isn't really defensive, I don't know why they called it that. It is very offensive shooting. LOL

I want the others, especially the baton.

We (my department) had the 4 volume series with him shooting the Glock 17 or 19. If I remember correctly, tape 4 dealt with transitioning to a folder on a malfunction or when empty. We had the tapes probably 3-4 months before somebody walked off with them. I never had a chance to make copies.:(

He carries a 19. The link above looks like the same ones you're talking about.

No, those aren't the ones. They were yellow cases I believe and he wore one of those "photographers" jackets the whole time.

NDD, what was edited from the original tapes when they went public?

I don't know Razor, as I've never seen the public ones. Probably nothing. Since I have 3 and the public one is 4, the reverse is probably true. There is no transition to knife on mine for example.

Either way, its all you need to know about Glock combat shooting.

Kelly doesn't bullshit around when it comes to putting his name on stuff, so I'm sure they are great. I really want the baton one, the boy is a wizard with an ASP.

Along with the Grover/McCann work, is the Carl Cestari tapes. They are "vintage" in terms of video production quality, but are outstanding in terms of content.

Cestari espouses a "self-offensive" brutal direct approach. It's not so much the "techniques" -- i.e. axehands, chin-jabs -- but the doctrine of pre-emptive striking and over-whelming force. Cestari's use of the "drop-step" is an "all terrain" approach to footwork.

McCann delves into HTH/weapons integration; Cestari has backgrounds in bare-knuckle boxing, and combative chokes. I think they compliment each other nicely.

Re: Does your self defense work?
 

Not trying to start a pissing contest:

I train five days a week, four to six hours a day (I'm a pro). I'm confident it works because I've used it in the ring and in the cage. For "real world" situations, nothing but a few scraps in high school and one or two clashes on the street. Escapes all situations unscathed.. guess it works.

But I'll defer to QRQ 30, I think he put it best.

LOL - why would that start a pissing contest? Welcome aboard.

Hey, I'm just trying not to step on anyone's toes around here. :D

Thanks for the welcome, NDD.

Re: Does your self defense work?
 

'Cause I'm still alive.

why
 

NousDefionsDoc,

I'm new and still screening the topics. Pardon me for my curiousity.


I wonder why a real operator study taichi? Is it out of curiosity or is there any tactical function?
I spent my early youth with taichi, wushu, TKD, and wing-chun for years....long story short, over the years I've switched to more effective quick-to-learn skill.
Right now I'm training WC, Teukgong Moosul (SK SF combat) with Jiujutsu grappling as supplement. So I've abandoned "soft" art like tai chi for a while. Since you seem to have interest in it, what's your take on that art/skill?

I use it for a warm up, not for fighting. It relaxes me. I trained a little with Mr. Chin a long time ago. Posted for hours. Then he got sick and we deployed...etc.

I think Tai Chi is great for the joints. Besides, its one of the few arts that my Oakleys don't fall off when I'm doing it.

Oh, you added in! Sneaky little devil aren't you?

I can think of a couple of skills Tai Chi adds - how about a Sniper moving into position? Very slow, deliberate movements with complete body control and maybe some significant flexibility requirements, around deadfalls, etc. The pushing movements could be beneficial in CQB.

Ever tried Tai Chi under a table?

I remember Master Chin. I thought you guys were taking Wing Chun from him?

Those were the days!

TR

No sir, Hsing Yi. Brian Edwards was the Wing Chun man, although Mr. Chin probably knew it as well.

never see it that way before. Brilliant. Thanks

I'm 64 so besides K-run, I would prefer k-gun, k-nife, K-razer and maybe K-grenade. :rolleyes:

What was it they say about old age and treachery... ?

This young stud knows better than to fuck around with the old bulls.

I was talking about MMA with a young gentleman when another rather curious individual suddenly decided he needed to display his wrestling abilities. He was at least 70 lbs heavier. Needless to say, he took me down to the ground. He did side choke, then guillotine, then he established position dominance somewhere between north-south position and side mount. Training took place and I ended up with my legs doing a figure 4 around his neck (triangle choke-like?) and both of my arm lifting his left arm backward (kimura/chicken-wing). Having less and less oxygen going to his brain and excruciating pain from left shoulder, he cried uncle in no time. The curious individual was not too happy I was not playing by "wrestling rule," but he accepted defeat.

Had to say it was darn satisfying. I've never done or seen this double-trouble move before. IMHO: mindset, understanding of body mechanics, and spatial awareness. That should do it. Also IMHO, being on top to win is the wrestler mindset, which gave a false sense of dominance in MMA scenario.

Ok, it's not exactly self defense as I believe he had no intention of taking my life. Nevertheless, I'm pretty glad with the end results. Grappling (jiu jutsu) enable little fellow like me to have a fair shot on the ground.

Ron Donvito teaches "There are no rules. Just be prepared to receive what you dish out. Eye Pokes and biting may give you an advantage in the short run...just be prepared for your opponent to learn quickly and use them right back at you."

When in doubt...round-house kick to the FACE!

...that's what Chuck Norris would do. :D

JM

The trick to self-defense is to make it offensive.

Size really doesn't matter, it's technique that counts.

It's not the dog in the fight, it's the fight in the dog.