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Airbornelawyer 08-18-2004 17:07

What's wrong with this picture?
 
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What's wrong with this picture?

Air.177 08-18-2004 17:10

IR Illuminator/Laser Mounted with A standard Non NOD scope?
Flags on sleeves facing wrong way?
Looks Like a Nightforce Optics scope, Is that standard issue?
Oh, and WTF is he going to mount IN FRONT of his Optic on that 1913 rail?
And I think he's wearing Undies on his head. Not sure, But they look like undies.

Brother Rat 08-18-2004 17:11

Not wearing Oakleys.:munchin

brewmonkey 08-18-2004 17:20

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Originally posted by Air.177
IR Illuminator/Laser Mounted with A standard Non NOD scope?

Maybe a laser range finder?

Airbornelawyer 08-18-2004 17:26

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Originally posted by Air.177
IR Illuminator/Laser Mounted with A standard Non NOD scope?
Flags on sleeves facing wrong way?
Looks Like a Nightforce Optics scope, Is that standard issue?
Oh, and WTF is he going to mount IN FRONT of his Optic on that 1913 rail?
And I think he's wearing Undies on his head. Not sure, But they look like undies.

Undies? HAven't you ever worn a FEDOR, a "Field Expedient Do-Rag"?

The flags are the first thing that jump out as wrong, though there are other things that are unorthodox. What's with the Jason Priestley sideburns? ODA-90210? And the Alkaline Trio logo?

Kyobanim 08-18-2004 17:33

Here's a WAG. Not that it's what's wrong with the pic but is he a SEAL:D I don't know an army unit that has a patch on the left sholder like the one he has.

Air.177 08-18-2004 17:34

Is he by any chance a Civvie?

bberkley 08-18-2004 17:42

I would say he has the subdued flags on the wrong sleeves. If I recall correctly, the field of honor always leads, i.e. it should appear as it would if it were on a pole and being carried, displayed, etc.

The Reaper 08-18-2004 18:01

Flags, shades, PAQ-4 looks cattywompus and may be blocking weapon function, "E 2" on sleeve instead of blood type, freshly unwrapped cravat on head, looks like his safety is on while his finger is on the trigger, civvie logo around his neck, agree, it is almost certainly a SEAL.

TR

shadowflyer 08-18-2004 18:18

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Originally posted by The Reaper
Flags, shades, PAQ-4 looks cattywompus and may be blocking weapon function, "E 2" on sleeve instead of blood type, freshly unwrapped cravat on head, looks like his safety is on while his finger is on the trigger, civvie logo around his neck, agree, it is almost certainly a SEAL.

TR


I concur Sir ....every Team guy I knew from back in the day had LONG sideburns ...I think it was kinda like a trademark kinda deal. IIRC.



SEALS....always got to look pretty ....:D....heheh.


JJ

Sweetbriar 08-18-2004 19:50

What a clean face he has. Is this from an upcoming feature film?

Footmobile 08-18-2004 19:50

Looks like a Schmidt & Bender scope to me. 9 x 12 power, adjusts in mils, not minutes. Same one the Brit RM's use if I'm not mistaken. It's a very nice scope.

That is a very strange way to mount the PEQ-2, I've never seen mounting hardware that would allow that, especially on a bolt action rifle. It must be mounted for up close engagements at night with a PVS-14 head-mounted since that laser on the PEQ-2 doesn't at all follow the trajectory of a high power sniper rifle, not to mention that is a day scope that can't view IR.

Airbornelawyer 08-18-2004 19:59

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Originally posted by Sweetbriar
What a clean face he has. Is this from an upcoming feature film?
It is from the cemetery in Najaf.... sorry, the "Holy City of Najaf" (which would now be the "Holey City of Najaf" but for American restraint).

Sweetbriar 08-19-2004 01:11

Well, then, peculiar uniform aside, I hope he gets some. What is that little black box on the right side of the scope?

rudelsg2 08-19-2004 09:09

Nothings wrong if he's getting the job done.

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PEQ-2 doesn't at all follow the trajectory of a high power sniper rifle, not to mention that is a day scope that can't view IR.
Actually, the PEQ 2 follows the trajectory of whatever weapon system you zero it. A PEQ2 can be mounted on M249s, M240s, M2 .50 cal. An I'm sure he would use his NVGs while using it.

The Reaper 08-19-2004 09:30

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Originally posted by rudelsg2
Nothings wrong if he's getting the job done.

Actually, the PEQ 2 follows the trajectory of whatever weapon system you zero it. A PEQ2 can be mounted on M249s, M240s, M2 .50 cal. An I'm sure he would use his NVGs while using it.

Only at two points, unless someone has figured out how to curve a a LASER beam.

More likely would use it as an illuminator at night, but it looks like it is misaligned, regardless. Wonder how he has it attached to the rifle?

TR

rudelsg2 08-19-2004 09:40

OK, if it's about semantics. You can ZERO a PEQ2 to the weapon you mount it on and engage targets with it out to aleast 600m (if you can see that far with NVGs and the weapon and ammo and your shooting ability and whatever other factor that can be figured in line up ). Mounted one on a M21 in Iraqi and it worked quite well as a aiming device and as a illum when engaging insurgents at night.

Probably mounted it the same way we did by tapping in a rail mount, although ours was further down on the right side of the stock.

It would be interesting to see how the rail was mounted on so close to the action.



But if someone does make a bendable lazer that would be a cool peice of gear.

longrange1947 08-19-2004 18:18

He is a SEAL and he is using the McCann rail. The rail is an extension fo rhte UNS NVD system. The PEQ is used to illuminate the bullet going down range as well as flooding the target area just prior to a shot.

The mount has two wings so that the PEQ can be mounted on either side as well as a laser range finder on the other.

We use the system in the course and shoot snaps, movers, and deliberate targets to 400 meters with at night.

The FLags are wrong, and his "shades' can get his butt shot if they shine at the wrong time. I would not use a dew rag that way as it does not absorb enough sweat to be really effective and I have used many a rag in my time. The E2 is for ID. His scope is a Night Force with .25 moa adjustments and weapn a McMillian.

Those are my observations, I may be wrong on some of it. :D

Air.177 08-19-2004 18:22

Longrange - What is your opinion of the Nightforce Optics? I have handled Several, never shot one, but I have heard very good things about them.

The Reaper 08-19-2004 18:34

Air, you DO realize that LR 1947 is Mr. Leupold, don't you?:D

TR

longrange1947 08-19-2004 19:13

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Originally posted by Air.177
Longrange - What is your opinion of the Nightforce Optics? I have handled Several, never shot one, but I have heard very good things about them.
Too expensive, objective too big, adjustments too fine for battle, heavy, and actually I like S&B Reaper. :D

The objective is too big and gives too much signature and causs the scope to set too high on the weapon system. The objective that big does NOT gather more light, it will give you slightly more field of view but if yo have to move your eye too close to the occular lens then you may get scope bite. OUCH!

The .25 moa adjustment is silly, even the Palma team, that shoots long range all the time went to .5 moa adjustments. The .25 moa adjustment will get you lost on the battlefield when you must adjust from far to near and back again.

Look at it this way, at 100, where most prople zero, and I think is too close, the single click moves the bullet less then the bullet's diameter (.25" versus .308 inches) when shooting 7.62 or .308 ammo. Now at 800, the single click moves the bullet about 2 inches. I defy anyone and I mean ANYONE to show me that they can shoot within that 2 inches at 800. If you can not then why have a scope that moves the bullet so little? Oh yeah, it is cool to have that crap. BUT let you shoot at a target one full revolution out, or 15 moa, then see when they come up with the excuses.

Sorry, off the soap box.

Rick

NousDefionsDoc 08-19-2004 21:26

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Originally posted by longrange1947
Those are my observations, I may be wrong on some of it. :D
I fookin' doubt it.:D I've never know you to be wrong about much when it comes to bullet launchers with periscopes on them.

rudelsg2 08-20-2004 02:17

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The PEQ is used to illuminate the bullet going down range
So the PEQ2 allows you to see the bullet itself going downrange? Is he using IR sniper rounds?

longrange1947 08-20-2004 05:16

IR tracer
 
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Originally posted by rudelsg2
So the PEQ2 allows you to see the bullet itself going downrange? Is he using IR sniper rounds?
The IR tracer is possible, but not necessary. The IR illuminator illuminates the back of the bullet itself allowing you to see it as it goes down range. The range for this is limited and starts to fail at about 400 meters, but about that range you start to get misses due to missed wind calls anyway.

Of course, if the BGs have NVDs this is a VERY bad technique. You are pointing, essentially, a flashlight at him, and he can see when he is illuminted and from whence it comes. :boohoo

rudelsg2 08-20-2004 05:38

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The IR illuminator illuminates the back of the bullet itself allowing you to see it as it goes down range.
Have yet to see this in my years of shooting a PEQ2. Wouldn't that mean instead of the laser being a straight beam (which it is) that it would have to follow the arc of the round or are you shooting non-arcing rounds?

I shot about 7 guy's using the PEQ2 and NODs (with a M4 mind you) and didn't see a one of the rounds reflected in the beam. I've also shot SWS on the range with PEQ2s quite a bit and have yet to see this either.

Believe me I understand METT-T.

Oh, and to keep this on topic, once again, if he's getting the job done there's nothing wrong with the photo.

Sunglasses are a good idea if your staring out into the Iraqi sun all day, just make sure they don't glare.

longrange1947 08-20-2004 05:55

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Originally posted by rudelsg2
Have yet to see this in my years of shooting a PEQ2. Wouldn't that mean instead of the laser being a straight beam (which it is) that it would have to follow the arc of the round or are you shooting non-arcing rounds?

I shot about 7 guy's using the PEQ2 and NODs (with a M4 mind you) and didn't see a one of the rounds reflected in the beam. I've also shot SWS on the range with PEQ2s quite a bit and have yet to see this either.

Believe me I understand METT-T.

Oh, and to keep this on topic, once again, if he's getting the job done there's nothing wrong with the photo.

Sunglasses are a good idea if your staring out into the Iraqi sun all day, just make sure they don't glare.

In all your years of shooting a PEQ have you had it on flood and did you operate as the observer? If not, then no you have not seen it. ALL of the students in our course have seen it.

On flood, the laser does not have to "bend" as the flood is wide enough that the ballistic path is all within the flood.

Hmmm, what does METT-TC have to do with this? You have my curiosity up.

Time to go to work as I have students waiting on me.

rudelsg2 08-20-2004 06:10

Ahhh SOOO, thanks for the clarity. Clear as spring water now. I've used both continously, but never looked for the "trace". I went to a Group ran course before we had the PEQ2 (just the good ole' PVS4). I just used it to spot targets with the flood and engage, no one ever mentioned this when they've came back from the course. Thanks.

Airbornelawyer 08-20-2004 09:08

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Originally posted by rudelsg2
Oh, and to keep this on topic, once again, if he's getting the job done there's nothing wrong with the photo.
Except the flags. Slapped 'em on the wrong shoulders. Minor nit.

Airbornelawyer 08-20-2004 16:02

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How about this one? Nice rifle in the background.

Footmobile 08-20-2004 16:05

Outstanding. Good to see our Snipers using the deception skills they were taught in school.

Is that the XM-107? Heard nothing but good things about them.

Air.177 08-20-2004 16:23

Not Positive, But it looks like a McMillan .50 rifle.

Airbornelawyer 08-20-2004 16:56

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The same photographer, AP's Jim MacMillan, took both pictures, as well as the one below. Pretty much all of his pictures are of US Army forces - 1st Cav and the Oregon ARNG's 2-162 IN, plus a few special operators, so I imagine he's in Najaf as an embed with the cavalry TF.

Airbornelawyer 08-20-2004 16:58

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Another one of MacMillan's:

Air.177 08-20-2004 17:01

An M14?? WTF?? Could be captured I guess, unless the Oregon ARNG is that far down the chain for new toys.

Cool Pics AL, Thanks for posting them.

The Reaper 08-20-2004 17:54

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Originally posted by Air.177
An M14?? WTF?? Could be captured I guess, unless the Oregon ARNG is that far down the chain for new toys.

Cool Pics AL, Thanks for posting them.

If they are like the other Guard units I know, they never turn anything in.

I saw BARs and Garands in an Armory in 1994.

Nice pics, AL, thanks for posting them. McMillan appears to get going in harms way to get his pics.

TR

Air.177 08-20-2004 17:57

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Originally posted by The Reaper
If they are like the other Guard units I know, they never turn anything in.

I saw BARs and Garands in an Armory in 1994.

Nice pics, AL, thanks for posting them. McMillan appears to get going in harms way to get his pics.

TR

I'd much rather some of those folks get use out of them than see them chopped up and melted down.

Airbornelawyer 08-20-2004 18:14

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This appears to be the same guy as in the earlier M-4 picture. Doesn't look like he's in his happy place (actually, looking at both pictures, I'd worry he's getting close to his breaking point; I hope his chain of command and buddies are on top of things).

The Reaper 08-20-2004 18:24

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Originally posted by Airbornelawyer
This appears to be the same guy as in the earlier M-4 picture. Doesn't look like he's in his happy place (actually, looking at both pictures, I'd worry he's getting close to his breaking point; I hope his chain of command and buddies are on top of things).
I thought the same thing in the pic with the rifle shouldered.

He looks like he is afraid. Very afraid.

TR

NousDefionsDoc 08-20-2004 19:48

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Originally posted by Air.177
An M14?? WTF?? Could be captured I guess, unless the Oregon ARNG is that far down the chain for new toys.

Cool Pics AL, Thanks for posting them.

There's nothing wrong with carrying an M14. I've done it. Fine rifle.

Ambush Master 08-20-2004 20:03

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Originally posted by NousDefionsDoc
There's nothing wrong with carrying an M14. I've done it. Fine rifle.
I'm willing to wager that after the reports of the "poor performance" of the 5.56 at the ranges that they are engaging in, that these guys have either been smart enough, or have received proper direction, to bring the heavier long-shooters to the Party !!!

Martin


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