"I Stabbed the Slut" - Khaled Ibrahim Mohamed Ellaimouny
 

Apparently, it is the victim's fault she was stabbed. Had she not posed for 'racy photos', her Egyptian stepfather would have not attempted to kill her.

It's the religion of Peace, really, give it a chance, really

Historically - such manipulated fundamentalist behavior is a world-wide zaniness to which no single group or culture - whether polytheistic or monotheistic - has ever held a monopoly.

Richard's $.02 :munchin

That might be true, but this "religion of peace" just keeps making headlines such as these since mass media was invented.

I'm fairly certain the inquisitions of the western religions ceased a few hundred years ago. Its been a long time since I've heard of any witch burnings or public stonings by any other religion/culture, just islam.....

To me the islam faith is frightening in our country......:mad: The "peace loving" islamists,which is supposed to be the majority say nothing,nothing at all about the extremists that are making headlines.......:mad: If we consider to do nothing about what's been happening in our country by these extremists,whose numbers are rapidly growing,then we deserve what will eventually will develope.....:mad: Christianity will be replaced by the muslim religion........This is not a rant,but a fact.............

Big Teddy

In this type of situation, my mind and imagination are free to work in all possible manners of HELL that this man will go though in prison!:mad:

What a POS! Religon of Peace, my A**!!!

That is all I can say in polite company!

Holly

To me - the frightening thing is (1) the way some choose to practice their faith and (2) those who choose to do things in which they profess it to be connected to their faith - which is not necessarily the same thing.

Of those who profess faith in the world, Christians = 33% and Muslims = 21% - and current world/religious growth trends indicate that it will take > 100 yrs for the Muslim population to double.

http://www.geocities.com/richleebruce/b/islam.html

It does - fear and sensationalism sell in the MSM - "If it bleeds, it leads!" remains the editor's rule-of-thumb amongst that gang of up-to-the-minute infomercial provocateurs. I always ask myself 'why' something was included in a news broadcast, 'when' and 'how' it was presented, and 'what' was left out (purposefully, not 'newsworthy' enough, etc).

FWIW - I'm not saying there aren't serious issues - I'm just not entirely sure the issues being presented are as irrefutably dire as portrayed by those needing to sensationalize them for profit and job security - but maybe that's what growing up listening to the imminent threat of Nuclear Winter, the inevitable invasion by the 3rd Horde Guards Army, and the claims of the End of History and irrefutable future effects of global climate change has done to me.

YMsMV - but I remain skeptical and cautiously optimistic about it all. ;)

Richard's $.02 :munchin

Problem with line of thinking
 

There is a problem with your line of thinking - as was demonstrated in the abortion clinic doc killing and the shooting of the soldier a few days later.

The press is doing all it can to supress Islam's relationship with crimes in this country.

The "right" has noticed this and is passing around what the MSM refuses to notice.

The "normal" student here in NC who was just driving his SUV and decided to take out a bunch of his fellow students for Islam? These things are starting to add up and come quicker and quicker.

The only good _____ is a dead _____? :eek: :confused:

Richard's $.02 :munchin

FWIW, last night I reached out to Ms. Bentley at the Brisbane Times for more details on this case. I asked specifically if the investigation of the crime revealed evidence that Mr. Ellaimouny was motivated by his religious beliefs.

The article itself gives no indication that such was the case.

So far, no reply. Maybe she's off hunting mullets <<LINK>>.

Richard,
I agree that zanies are not specific to any one group/culture/religion.
However, many sects (Fihqs) of Islam underwrite this behavior as codified by Sharia i.e. examples of the prophet and his companions as outlined in the Hadiths.
The 7th century example of Mohammed is considered inviolate by every Muslim otherwise they are apostates as Mo is the perfect example of manhood.
Your rationalizing these actions as specific to the individual are more than naive and that acceptance is counted upon by radical Muslims that practice taqiyya.

I do understand - I'm playing the devil's advocate - my point is that all Muslims aren't 'radical' and the inherant dangers to us of classifying them all as such - perhaps like this instance where it appears more a case of failed personal family relationships (happens every night on the local news regardless of religious belief or non-belief) vs a religious radical practicing jihadism - and I admit I may be naively wrong.

However - I do worry about the affects of the mass media on our culture and the potentially dangerous effects of its newspeak pandering to our baser instincts (my previous post) - which has happened before.

I admit my limited personal experience with radical Islam - my experiences dealt more with the nihilistic state-as-religion terror crowd - but I'm hearing many of the same philosophies and arguments, and I - naively perhaps - believe our more egalitarian way of life will eventually prevail - a personal belief in the better idea concept and the many cracks (human nature?) amongst the current Islamic cultures.

Expressing a desire to live within and consistently practice the rule of law - while maintaining our uniquely progressive cultural identity and not developing into any of the societies foreshadowed in the dystopian genre of post-WW2 literature or that of our currently spotlit enemy du jour - is my desire - something which obviously is not and never will be easy...as if it ever has. Language is important to that goal and I worry about its power to persuade when used less carefully or less definitively.

Personally, I appreciate the many points-of-view this forum offers us all.

Richard's $.02 :munchin

Richard,

I’m a simple minded guy and perhaps I see things too simply. I believe there is inhereant danger in not correctly labeling those who are radical and this depends on your definition of radical…..

Radical a: marked by a considerable departure from the usual or traditional : EXTREME b: tending or disposed to make extreme changes in existing views, habits, conditions, or institutions c: of, relating to, or constituting a political group associated with views, practices, and policies of extreme change d: advocating extreme measures to retain or restore a political state of affairs

If “d” is your definition then your statement works. If “a,b,or c”, then I think your statement causes concern.
From my reading of the Quran and the Bible I’ve reached a simple conclusion. So called “moderate Muslims” are the true radicals in that they have departed from the teachings of the Quran. The so called “radical militant Islamist” is just what he claims to be – a true adherent of the faith.

http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran..._passages.html

From my reading of the Bible I see that the writings in the Old Testament form the foundations or tree trunk for each of the “big three” religions. The Christian split comes at the New Testament. We cannot reconcile the Crusades, Jim Jones, David Koresh, and the Klan et al with the true teachings of Christianity.
It is very important to correctly classify them. The question is not, Are they radicals? The question is, Are they a true believer in regard to their book?-my two cents

It still amazes me that in the modern age there are still those who try to equate Muslim violence with the Christian crusades...

Not to get into historical/religious debate, but violence conducted CENTURIES ago when violence was what people did when they werent sleeping or foraging for resources to survive. We live in a modern age where stabbing, shooting or beheading someone because they have "dishonored" your family is nothing more than criminal. Any attempt to "understand" this behavior is as frivilous as the excuse itself.

The offenders AS WELL as the sympathizers should be ran over by a train.

:D

Exactly.

I disagree - understanding - a hallmark of SF unless things have drastically changed - is neither frivilous nor an indication of empathy or agreement with any act/individual/group.

I also disagree with this reasoning - the offender(s) and those who criminally aided/abeted the offender should be held legally accountable. Laws exist - enforce them - except there are those nasty mitigating and extenuating circumstances to be considered...or not. Complicated it is.

Richard's $.02 :munchin

The point has been made (earlier post) as to what radical Islam is...it is simply Islam...the moderates are actually interpreting their faith along cultural lines rather than religious dictate.
If one studiously follows the Quran, Hadiths and the Sunnah then one cannot argue against Sharia as interpreted by hard line followers.
Honor killing is an accepted manner of enforcing patriarchal/tribal law and is supported in the primary and widely accepted Islamic texts.
To deny this aspect of Islam is to pretend the faith is other than what it is.
Islam is not secular, it is an everyday life way of application from how to wipe ones ass to dividing up dowery to washing etc......etc....
Justice, and how it should be handled are easily referred to.
Muslims basically lie to westerners about that as they know we are ignorant of their faith...they trot out abbrogated passages of the Quran to mollify the uneducated like the hire lawyers to push within a free society that they would undo and make hostage to their faith.

Sounds like we're gonna need something like a Pre-Crime Unit* to survive. Glad I kept my demo knife sharpened.

Richard's $.02 :munchin

* Minority Report, Philip K. Dick
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BT

I know you are an educated man but I wonder about the depth of your study of Islam.
Islam has never been at peace with secular society or the west, only in periods of major weakness has it appeared benign and that has changed due to petro dollars.
In what western Nation have you seen Islamic assimilation? I am not talking about the NOI or that spin off but basic Sunni...wahabbi Islam.
In what Islamic society would you, as a non Muslim, live comfortably unless you lived in a non Muslim enclave like all of the expats working overseas.
Are all Mulsims devils, of course not, but, and this is a big but, the Quran forbids taking the side of the Kafir on penalty of hell...so who do you think Muslims side with given a push...the kafir moderates or the hard line Muslims.
Certain philosophies are anathema to a free society...Islam is just that.
I didn't always feel that way, as you, I thought there could be compromise.
30 years experience in the ME with friends, allies, enemies and years spent studying the gold standard of Islam has changed my opinion.
They, the Ummah, are not seeking compromise.
CAIR is not seeking justice but advantage.
"Why can't we all just get along" in this instance, is something I didn't expect from experienced SF with oconus experience

http://www.futureofmuslimworld.com/r...-jihadi-groups

http://www.futureofmuslimworld.com/

http://mes.hudson.org/

http://crf.hudson.org/

Historically speaking - same song - different arrangement - new dance hall...

WTBN* - Who'll be the next monotheistic idol? :confused:

As for me - I believe in the laws of nature and nature's God,** toughness, steeliness and even meanness.

I learned these traits from my father. Toughness came first. I am the first-born and the son who could run faster than my brothers, the one who played all day with an injury or broken tooth. I'm the one who thought my Dad was the toughest man around — and I wanted to be just like him. He rarely missed a day of school, worked as a field laborer to pay his college tuition, survived the PTO in WW2, and toiled as a carpenter for over 30 years to reach the love of his life - farming and ranching.

My dad also taught me steeliness, an unwillingness to surrender one’s important goals. Steeliness helped me attain the goals I've set for myself in life, kept me alive on any number of occasions, and is an underlying current running through my frame. People recognize the steeliness and mention it - which often surprises me as I don’t notice it at all. But sometimes even toughness and steeliness aren't enough - and I also believe in meanness.

I am not a giant by any means, but at 6'4" and 230 pounds, I have a natural presence and stature. As a second-career educator and high school administrator, I often teach people who aren't always eager to learn - and I'm the mean teacher. I like to push students harder than they want to be pushed. Some of them don't like me at the time, but they usually end up appreciating me later on. I know because they often return to tell me so - even when I've expelled them. Hate me now, love me later is a motto I can live with.

But I'm even mean with myself. Sometimes it's meanness that gets me out of bed in the morning, like after a night of drinking too much or to exercise. I generally go to bed at 2230 and get up at 0400 to exercise. I'm not nice to myself — I don't give myself permission to stay home. Some of my best teaching days have been the result of my refusal to make others suffer for my poor self-discipline. Meanness with myself keeps me accountable.

That tough and steely will my father gave me helps me bear his loss - and the loss of many others. I watched my father die of cancer, but he never gave up on wanting to live. Perhaps it would have been easier on both him and the family had he given in to the bones roller, had he not fought to the absolute last breath. Although I do not have him in my life anymore, I got to see him as himself to the very end of his. I understand the poet Dylan Thomas, who pleads with his own father to rage, rage against the dying of the light.

We are usually encouraged to be more gentle, understanding, sympathetic. But when life has tested me the most, I believe it's my toughness, my steeliness and even my meanness that get me through...and will continue to do so.

MOO - and my point - this nation and its ideals reflect that nature of my personality - and that of its citizens, in general. And this I believe.

YMMV

Richard's $.02 :munchin

* World Theological Bullying Network
** Declaration of Independence

PA Arabs in Late Response to Obama Speech: No, We Can't
 

PA Arabs in Late Response to Obama Speech: No, We Can't

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/132187

IsraelNN.com) A poll released this week showed that PA Arabs are reluctant to grant rights to Jews or Christians within areas demanded for a PA state. A survey conducted by the Arab World for Research and Development among 1,200 Arab residents of Judea, Samaria and Gaza found that did not feel Jerusalem should be shared with Jews and Christians.

When asked to what extent they agreed with a statement made by United States President Barack Obama that Jerusalem should be “a secure and lasting home for Jews and Christians and Muslims,” less than 17 percent said they agree, while 20 percent said they “somewhat agree.” More than 42 percent said they disagree with the statement, while 17 percent “somewhat disagree.”....................

Islamist insurgency threatens Christian community in Pakistan: Will you help?

http://christianquoter.blogspot.com/...christian.html


............"A Christian leader from Pakistan’s North West Frontier Province told Barnabas Fund last week how the Taliban are trying to enforce their interpretation of Islam on the whole nation. “That is why the religious minorities fear for their safety and their future,” he said. He described how Christians, desperate to blend in for safety’s sake, are beginning to dress like Muslims and the Christian men to grow beards so that they look like Muslims."........

Come on now folks, all together - one - two - three - Dhimmitude

Muslims attack fleeing Christians with acid
 

Muslims attack fleeing Christians with acid
9 women, 4 children injured by rampage

http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=102978

"......The report said 600 Muslims used gasoline bombs to vandalize 117 homes belonging to Christians – including 48 damaged by fire, and sabotage water pumps and cut electricity.

According to the report, the violence apparently stemmed from an incident one night earlier, "in which a Christian man driving a tractor requested that a Muslim man riding a motorcycle allow him to pass........"

Islam is a peaceful religion looking to live in peace with the other religions of the world?