Time to buy some new stuff
 

I figure that a lot of weapons will be banned soon. Anyone following the latest proposals? I'd like to know what I should go buy . . . :munchin

I started buying a year ago. You want upper receivers with threaded Barrels. Definitely 16". Also 30 round Mags. If you want something other then an AR15 Platform go with something that is proovn. DSA FAL would be my recommendation.

There is legislation in the house to put a 500% tax on ammo for centerfire cartriages. So maybe ammo.

My consulation is that the wife has cleared me hot to buy what i want, but need to save up quick!

You already live in a state with restrictive laws.

All of the good stuff is illegal there.

If you were outside Kalifornia, I would recommend handguns, AR lowers, military pistol and rifle caliber ammo, and high cap mags.

Define the need/desire. What do you want to do with them?

TR

Time to buy some new stuff....boy, isn't THAT the truth.

I just got back from hitting a few gun shops here in town. I took in my latest acquisition, that .22 that belonged to my Grandfather, and have it looked at. At one store, there was only 1 guy working there, and he was going absolutely "bonkers", with people coming in and the phone ringing. We all waited patiently for our turn.

Next shop, had 2 guys working there, and they were handling the crowd pretty well. One customer asked one of the guys behind the counter a question about a part or something for one his guns, and the guy behind the counter said, that the dealers weren't even answering their phones. He said that he could usually get through no problem, but TODAY, his calls were going straight to recordings.

The last shop, the larger of the 3, it looked like Toys-R-Us, the day before Christmas. They had 7 guys behind the counter, and I was told, that they called in 2 more to help out. Their phone wouldn't stop ringing. As soon as one of the guys answered it, the other line was ringing, and as soon as they hung up on who they were talking to, it would start ringing again.

As for me, well I picked up a Rock Island 1911A1 .45 ACP. After I filled out my paperwork, I was told that there were 275 other applicants on the system, ahead of me, just in the state of Colorado.

Everyone in all 3 shops were thinking the same thing.....Time to buy new stuff.


BTW, that .22 I just got.....passed with flying colors. A little dirt/dust in the barrel, but that was to be expected. It hasn't been fired in well over 40 years.

That's too funny...and sad.

Text of the email exchange between my wife and I at 05:30 this morning:

HER: Hi Hun. Well I saw the bad news this AM : ( Should be an interesting next four.

ME: Yup, it will be ugly. We need to get out and pick up a couple rifles and a shotgun. How about for Christmas presents?

picked up a new USP .40 and a Mk III this morning :)

Putting together the finishing touches to my A2 by the end of the week. Just in time.

And her response? :D

We made a date :D

She drives the guys at the gun shop nuts by referring to firearms as "cute"...but she wields a mean .357 snub.

Today I "counseled" several QPs at work about not having prepared for this eventuality. Then I reminded them about the folly of proceeding without a plan and engaging in panic buying. Remember PACE, do a realistic threat analysis, and make your purchases accordingly. The start point for your analysis should be the Clinton ban. Your timeline needs to be calculated based on inaugeration and the usual time required to get a bill through congress. Adjust for the current realities. It took Clinton 18 months; Obama has a stronger hand and a more rabid constituency he has to placate. Firearms rights are a good confidence target, especially when he needs a bone to distract his supporters with "see, we're doing something". Plan accordingly. I'm not going to tell anyone what to buy; I am going to wish all of us luck.

BTW - The initial panic will skew price and availability (see recent gas crisis in NC). Wise shoppers will treat it like a stock market purchase and follow the market closely before investing. The bad news - "now we enter the winter of our discontent". There won't be any "deals" and if you don't time it right you'll pay way too much (if it's even available) for something that won't meet your real needs.

Or invest in a Dillon 550.

I was going to start a thread with the exact same question...

So far, I'm looking at a Walther P22 (better .22 suggestions are welcome) with suppressor and a Rock River 9mm 10.5" SBR.

I think I'll also head down to the Civilian Marskmanship Program warehouse and pick up a Garand and a M1 Carbine.

What will be the difficult AR parts to get? Just the lower? Should I consider investing in a few receivers just to have around to build up whenever the money comes along? Any tips greatly appreciated.

My thoughts precisely.

Then they will tax primers.

Oh shoot, another primer shortage! Just like the Klinton primer run.

Off to the store for 40 or 50 thousand.

TR

I think it's time to make a long overdue purchase. I have an A2 Bushmaster thats about 12 years old... never a problem, at least not yet. I've been meaning to get a 16" upper for a long time, but now I think I might just get a complete 16" weapon. This way, I have two AR's; one for me, one for the wife. Otherwise, she's stuck with an M1 carbine...OK, but not my first choice.

I am way behind the curve on keeping up with the explosion in AR technology over the last 10 years. I have been studying TR's primer on carbines, and I think I have a better idea of what I'm looking for. I don't have an unlimited budget; I figure I can spend about $1200. I want something basic, that can shoot either 55 grain or 62 grain, that will eventually have an optic, hopefully an ACOG. I'm looking at an RRA, with chrome lined 1:9 barrel, six position stock,and a mid-length quad rail fore arm, and BUIS until I can afford an ACOG. I'd like to keep it as close to an issue M4 as possible, since I want to be able to switch back and forth without thinking too much.

I also plan on increasing my inventory of 7.62mm Federal Gold Medal Match for my Remington 700, and 5.56mm for the AR's.

I'd be happy to hear any suggestions on the best deals in 5.56 and/or an M4.

I see the prices of ammo being largely effected, as well as some sort of ban or restriction on high-capacity magazines. Ammo is already too damn expensive as it is and I can never seem to "stock" any of that stuff because I like shooting too much. I'm already building another AR and I just got my first 1911 a few months ago, and I'm also going to go ahead and get my conceal-carry permit just in case. I'm really hoping the Democrats have enough to deal with besides messing with gun control; surely they do...

I stopped by Del-Ton this afternoon. They're 3-5 weeks backlogged; expect the big guys to be even worse. My recommendation is to purchase the basic flattop (w/detachable carrying handle - it's cheaper than most BUIS) M-4gery and spend the extra money on other "gaps" and ammo. Most vendors can put one in your hands fairly quickly for +/- $750.00. The more "high-speed" the greater the cost and the more likely you are to experience delays/shortages, especially in today's market. (Remember - "Walter Mittie" has to have the $1750.00 Secret Squirrel M4A25 and his panic buy will skew the high end market. Accessories are luxury items that risk analysis (mine :p) says won't be affected immediately. 99% of them can be user installed with patience and common sense after the market stabilizes. Go to Brownell's, open an account, get their AR specialty catalog, and shop from it.

Suppose I need to get off my butt and pick up a shorty 5.56 and maybe a 7.62 while I am at it before the crap goes south any more so than it is now as well as stocking up on handgun and rifle ammo...

Crip

I live in California. Most of the stuff you guys are suggesting is banned under state law here.

I'll probably just get a ton of ammo, a couple of .22 LRs and another handgun or two.

phones light up
 

My friends son is an armorer at DPMS in St Cloud...salesmen said the phones were non stop all day. It's good to have someone in the know. I am going to concentrate on reloading supplies . I tend to agree that the 2nd amendment is an easy, cheap target for the Obama to toss to Move On.org and others on the left. It will not cost the treasury anything.... look for the assault weapon ban to be re-instated.

Feel free to come on over to Arizona and buy what you need. I'll gladly "store" it for you. :D

Attention: This post is intended for humorous purposes only. It is not an offer to violate any federal, state, or local statutes - current or future.

If by "shorties" you mean SBRs, you better be willing to wait on your ATF forms because most folks are waiting up to three months on their paperwork. Unless you're able to expedite the process through the military...

If you think the Form 4 process is going to get easier, or the wait shorter after the inauguration, you should think again.

I would get any Class III items I wanted ordered now.

One thing I would do if I owned a gunstore is to ask each customer if they voted. If the answer was no, they would go to the back of the line.

TR

California M4's
 

RL,

I defer to your legal expertise. I've attached some links which might be of interest to you. Apparently there is a way around the CA AWB.

As I understand this, there is a list of banned guns in CA. Someone sued the state, saying that the state had to ban each individual manufacturer not just “AR Series.” Well a judge agreed, so the state has to ban each AR lower by name, not just AR series.

If the State bans a particular lower, an owner of such a lower would have 90 days to register it as an assault weapon. Once it is a registered assault weapon you can have 30rd mags and all the “scary” features you want. So they will probably not ban any more, because if they don’t ban it you are limited to a 10 round fixed magazine.

Fixed magazines are magazines that are permanently attached or can only be removed with a tool. One such permanently attached magazine device uses a 5.56 round as the "tool" to remove the magazine.

Before I jump feet first into this, I humbly ask for your legal expertise. These are the links I mentioned earlier. Ten percent firearms is located in Taft, CA.

http://www.tenpercentfirearms.com/in...main_page=ar15

http://www.calguns.net/copmemo2.pdf

http://www.tenpercentfirearms.com/in...=index&cPath=9

I was wondering if you might be willing to discuss the mechanics of a Federal Lawsuit in opposition to a new AWB. If the Congress is foolish enough to revisit this issue I have to believe that the NRA will fight it in the Courts citing Heller. How does that prospect effect the time line for implementing an new AWB. If such litigation can tie up an AWB for several years it might change how I view my purchasing decisions now.

IIRC, the last AWB went to the SCOTUS and was upheld.

If there is any hope of doing this, it will need to be quick, before the balance of the Court changes again. I would wager Obama won't be appointing too many gun-loving judges.

TR

Response to Rubberneck
 

A good book to read on the legal ramifications and unconstitutionality of the Clinton Era AWB is "From My Cold Dead Fingers: Why America Needs Guns" by Sheriff Richard Mack. The ISBN is 0-9641935-4-x

Richard Mack is a former AZ sheriff who challenged the AWB all the way up to the Supreme Court and won. He and another sheriff from Ravalli county MT both believed that it was unconstitutional and should not be enforceable in their counties. They won under the grounds that the ban violated the 10th amendment.

The case respectively are Mack v. United States and Printz v. United States.

Personal feelings aside, you are misreading the cases.

All that was decided was that the US government could not force the local LE agencies to run the background check.

The remainder of the AWB was not heard.

TR

Since Bush had indicated that he would sign an AWB and we have had a Dim congress for the last two years, I have been preparing in that time frame. I determined my requirements and have moved forward on them. AR Carbines in 5.56NATO, Glock 17's, and lots of ammo and mags for both. I have intentionally kept the ammo and mag variance to a minimum for logistical purposes. I have a limited budget which also helped drive that decision. I have also been building up my reloading capability. Ostensibly, I would like to be in a position to place an AR and G17 with 8 primary and 4 secondary mags in the hands of every member of my family capable of handling them. I am getting there.

I purchased a firearm Tuesday night (yes, election day) I literally was the last customer at 7:45 pm to get approval to take possession of the firearm.

The owner saw my "I voted sticker" on my fleece jacket and ask if I voted Obama or McCain to which I said "Are you kidding me, I wouldn't be here if I thought McCain had a chance to pull this off"

He gave me a discount of $50 and two boxes of 230 grain Hydrashocks to boot. :cool:

He had not one single AR-15 in stock. Said that he'd sold them earlier in the day and put another order in with his distributor for several more M&Ps and Bushy's and a Sig 556.


It's going to get real silly, but I believe we have some more time to acquire what we want, but don't wait longer than a few months.

I did the same thing, I thought I'd beat the crowd the next morning:D

Too busy right now to find answers on this and the CA AWB issue raised above, but I will get to it later. Please remind me if I forget.

I'm inclined to believe the Democrats might wait a while before the issue of gun control is touched. Gore ran on a gun control platform in 2000 and lost and the only thing I've heard over the past two years in regards to Democrats and gun control was when the Brady Law expired. A lot of this "They're gonna ban EVERYTHING!" seems to me as conservative rhetoric and a scare tactic so I just don't know what to expect. May as well plan for the worst, I reckon...

Where were you when the Brady Bill and AWB were passed?

The libs are in charge of the Dims and this will be one of the first things they do next year.

TR

Eleven years old and didn't have a care in the world about guns. :boohoo

Well then, suffering through it this time should make you more aware if it ever happens again.

TR

Rest assured, sir, I am taking notes and reviewing the facts. ;)

Really. Why don't you start with some homework.

Begin by googling the names Charles Schumer, Dianne Feinstein with guns, gun control.

Check on the fact that despite both the aboved names stance on guns, in 2005 at least, they both possessed unrestricted concealed weapons permits.

Then just run google for anti-gun quotes.


Seriously, how many times do you need to be knocked down before you realize someone is trying to knock you out. "Scare tactics", hardly, there is a known entity and a clear agenda.

Some other opinions.

Thanks for that reminder of just exactly where they are coming from. It remains to be seen if they still think they can pull off a comprehensive gun grab in light of the recent Supreme Court Decision.

The Heller decision has not been incorporated and it left "reasonable restrictions" open to the legislatures. And since when has the Constitution had any impact on the creation of laws? We continually enact laws that could be construed as unconstitutional, yet we continue to enforce them. They can only be overturned if the courts view them as unconstitutional. For the last century or so the courts have been allowed to legislate from the bench, so personal ideology guides their decisions and not the constitution.

I quit living in the fantasy that somehow our Constitution is still valid sometime ago. We have set it aside as irrelevant and the proof is in the fact we concern ourselves with the stacking of judges in the SCOTUS.

The Marxists have been masterful in their subjugation of the last three generations of Americans. Those who recognize what we have become are in the minority. An entire major political party has been co-opted by them and they control post-secondary acadamia and dominate our education system in general.

I come to the QP site because this appears to be the last vestige of those who truely believe in the Constitution and the ideology it represents. Damn my heart is heavy!