The Blademaster said stress...
 

I love this topic. Who can tell us the physiological reactions to stress as pertains to this topic and how it impacts on your ability to respond to a threat?





STOP LOOKING IT UP!

:munchin

I'll stand by for just a bit here...edited to say I'll repeat what Col. Applagate taught me if no else replies...

Ok, six minutes have gone by, Here's a hint, "incorporating a humans natural stress response to close sudden danger"

Fight or flight ?

Increased heart rate ?

Dry mouth ?

Sweaty palms ?

before all that.

Ummmmmmm

I'm out

All of the above, which also leads to degradation of fine muscle skills.

Kill, or be killed. Monkey stomp, or be monkey stomped.

TR

Any fight I've ever been in I've felt that before it happened

Last time was this winter when some buddies and I were jumped by a group of punks

Eye dilation?

Check out your surroundings

What can you use and what could be used against you

How can you get out if you have to

How many bad guys are there - who should you stomp first

BIG Time Adrenaline Dump and all of it's insidious side effects !! Learning how to control yourself during that phase is imperative. Then, after the "Inducers" are gone, to be able to maintain a rational thought process and di..di.. in a proper fashion is in order !!

Yes I think we are talking about instinctive response of big muscle groups, or the whole body.

No your not, go back to flight or fight. It all begins just before then.

AM gave you the first one and primary casual factor. You guys should know this, your life depends on it - this is an OODA Loop killer.

Reaper and Blademaster are practically giving you the answers.

ghuinness,
Do you mean tunnel vision?

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Does "TRAINING" come into mind ????

I'm sure it does

Muscle memory just takes over

Didn't mean to de-rail the train !!

Eyes dilate to get more light. I believe the net result would be tunnel vision and peripheral capabilities are reduced.

How fast does adrenaline enter our system? It must be in tenths or hundredths of a second.

Tunnel Vision

Auditory Narrowing

Natural instinct is to turn and face the threat...

Very good, that's the stuff we're talking about. What else?

Well, its official. I am on the slowest connection in the history of the internet.

I thought curiosity was before the realization of a threat?

in a crouched position...

Regardless of how fast it enters into the equation, Training and "Mental Conditioning" are the Blocking factors that enable you to immediately react to a threat, respond accordingly then assess the situation and move/react accordingly. It really doesn't matter how fast it happens, how it technically/physiologically affects you, it is how you deal with it !!!

Just .02 from here !!

Think about instant realization of threat like a gunshot right behind you.

That's certainly correct.

Long winded...sorry
 

Before anyone gets into listing the sympathetic nervous system responses... there is a key reaction much more important for some of you HIGHLY trained guys...

The prime ‘directive’ of the human brain is to promote survival and procreation. Therefore, the brain is ‘over-determined’ to sense, process, store, perceive and mobilize in response to threatening information from the external environment. All areas of the brain and body are recruited and orchestrated for optimal survival tasks during the threat. This total neurobiological participation in the threat response is important in understanding how a traumatic experience can impact and alter functioning in such a pervasive fashion.

In order for any experience to be dealt with, traumatic or not, it must be ‘sensed’ -- it must be experienced by the individual. The first step in experiencing is sensation. The first ‘stop’ of this sensory input from the outside environment (e.g., light, sound,etc) is the lower, more ‘regulatory’ parts of the brain(brainstem and midbrain).

As the sensory input comes into the brain stem and midbrain, it is matched against a previously stored patterns of activation and if unknown, or if associated with previous threat, an initial alarm response begins. The alarm response begins a wave of neuronal activation in key brainstem and midbrain nuclei which contain neurons utilizing a variety of neurotransmitters (e.g., norepinephrine, dopamine, serotonin), neuromodulators and neuropeptides such as ACTH, corticotrophin releasing factor, vasopressin.

A cascade of activity is initiated in these primitive areas of the brain which moves up to more complex parts of the brain.In addition to sending these signals to higher parts of the brain, this cascade of activity also initiates a set of brainstem and midbrain ‘responses’ to the new information from the environment, allowing the individual to react in a near-reflexive fashion. In many instances, the brain’s response to incoming sensory information will take place well before the signals can get to the higher, cortical parts of the brain where they are ‘interpreted’.

At the level of the brain stem and midbrain, there is very little subjective perception. It is only after communication with cortical areas that the individual is able to make more complex, cognitive associations which allow interpretation of that internal state of anxiety or fear.

Simply stated, then, the fear response will involve a tremendous mobilization and activation of systems distributed throughout the brain. Because the system alter itself in a ‘use-dependent’ way in response to patterned, repetitive neuronal activation(training), a state of repetitive trauma's will result in a set of ‘memories.

This overview describes the sensing, storing and perceiving elements of the response to threat. At each level of the brain, as the incoming input is ‘interpreted’ and matched against previous similar patterns of activation, a response is initiated. The brain responds to the potential threat. This immediate response capability is very important for rapid response to potentially-threatening sensory signals – the classic example of this is the immediate motor action of withdrawal of the finger after being burned – or the jump that takes place following an unexpected loud sound (startle response). Clearly, in order for the brain to react in this immediate, ‘un-interpreted’ fashion, the more primitive portions of the brain (i.e., the brainstem and the midbrain) must ‘store’ previous patterns of sensory input which are associated with the threat – there must be ‘state’ memories – memories of previous patterns of sensory input which were connected with the experience .

The classic ‘response’ to the threatening cues involves activation of the autonomic nervous system. This ‘fight or flight’ reaction involves the physiological manifestations of alarm, arousal and the emotion of anxiety (e.g., profuse sweating, tachycardia, rapid respiration). These physical symptoms are manifestations of activation of the autonomic nervous system and the hypothalamic-pituitary axis, again, an adaptive response to the impending threat.

Wow, Tactical Tooth Grinder! That's not in any of my knifemaking books. I'll have to back and read that again.

Closest example I have was an experience in a Belize jungle.

1) didn't turn; eye dilation and auditory restricted
2) didn't run - actually froze - immobility
3) brain plays games about reality; is this real? Disbelief etc.
4) the sound creating the fear was coming from behind me.
5) actually waited until the animal jumped me - turned out to
be a safe animal.

I always seem to do things abnormally.

Re: Long winded...sorry
 

Right - OODA

If you've seen it before, you'll recognize it faster - especially if it kicked your ass last time.

LOL.... GO back and read it again and quit being scared of the big words. You sound like Cric and his fear of SOAP format(don't understand it so you make fun of it)...LOL



not exactly ALL that my post said...

It did say that if you seen it before..you'll recognize it faster expecially if it has kicked your ass before....BUT...

It also said that if you create patterns with enough repetition.. you will create reflexive reactions to trained for threats that will actually occur BEFORE your mind even has a chance to interpret that you are in danger. THAT IS THE KEY to being a level 6 monkey stomper!! LOL ( NO, I am not claiming to be at this level)

gross motor skills, Col. Rex Applegate realized fine motor skills went away just like Reaper said, he adapted his training to teach use of the whole body in sudden emergency situations to both aim and fire the weapon, whether it was handgun, shotgun, rifle or hand held machinegun. He/they trained to take advantage of the bodies natural stress responses to shoot fast and on target while training to overcome problems like loss of fine motor skills and convulsive gripping of the weapon. I know you guys have taken this science farther than the old school could have ever imagined.

We KNOW that, but you're putting the fix in before we define the problem.

PS - I'm not scared of big words. I have a gun and I am more than competent.:D

I just finished reading the CQB pistol paper from a link on that gutterfighting website you posted NDD. I see Bill H. is covering most of that material in perfect detail... Great read BTW. I am lost as to what you are referring to though NDD.

Therefore, I will :munchin

Way guilty, I jumped too far forward.

Not you, the tooth mechanic.

is how you fix the problem. He's jumping the gun.

Muscle memory is one of the fixes. We haven't finished defining the issue yet. I have to go to bed.

Mr. Harsey, you are a Warrior of many talents.

Ok, defining the problem now: "seizing up", "freezing" , "hesitating", "Failure to monkey stomp"...