Weapons Safety Instructor's Gun Goes Off During Class
 

This idiot's pistol did not "go off", accidentally or otherwise. He negligently discharged it by pulling the trigger. I would hardly call him a "Safety Instructor".:rolleyes:

How many people have not yet learned to leave the ammo outside the classroom?

TR

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,356699,00.html

Weapons Safety Instructor's Gun Goes Off During Class
Tuesday, May 20, 2008

NEW BEDFORD, Mass. — A firearms instructor in southern Massachusetts has been assigned to other duties after his gun accidentally went off while he was teaching a class on weapons safety.

Officials say the Glock handgun discharged while Maj. Donald Lamar was demonstrating to Bristol County deputy sheriffs how to safely holster the weapon.

The bullet ripped a hole in Lamar's pants but missed his leg and foot.

Sheriff Thomas Hodgson says the officer made a "gross error in judgment" by not emptying the weapon before the class last week.

Lamar, a certified firearms instructor since 2005, was transferred to another division and will not carry a firearm while the incident is being investigated.

CRIMINALLY STUPID!

Similar to the DEA agent in a classroom full of kids, discharging one into his leg.

They generally learn a more valuable lesson when there is a surgical scar to remember the incident by....... (I know, typical trauma surgeon apathy!!)

Must have had his finger on the trigger while holstering his weapon???

Ya think ???? :rolleyes:

Didn't this just happen out west, it was a Chief of Police in that incident. These two incidents are exactly the same. Maybe the Major read about the incident out west and decided to teach Safety and then.............
I blame a lot of this on pure ignorance. I always count myself fortunate to have been taught and mentored by professionals over the years.

Maricopa Sheriff's office runs regular training for LEO's.

From what I understand some Sheriff Deputy "weapons instructor" brings to class a LOADED machine gun. (Yes, in the class room.)

Yes, it went off. Funny how it never made the news.....;)

I'd really like to know why LEO's think they need the indiscrimanate fire delivered by machine guns?


TS

The last time someone on the range turned around to ask me a question and pointed a loaded gun at me (finger on the trigger) was a North Texas chief of police. :eek:

We don't and off the top of my head---Two quick reasons.

I can not think of one situation where full auto is preferred over semi in an urban/suburban/rural environment where each police bullet has either the ACLU or Al Sharpton's "800" number on the projectile. It is also a huge waste of resources to spend $3,000-$4000 or more for a useless feature we will never use on the street when we could spend around $700 for the same gun. Just my .02

The best part:

The weapon was personally owned and a buddy of mine received about 15 % hearing loss because of this incident.

Oh ya and it was MCSO's top F.I.

While down range every negligent discharge that I am personally aware of was produced by an E-7 or above.

I know that many of the higher ranking personal in the conventional units I served with did not, in many cases, come to weapon PMI. Or even the range at times.

One of many little gems I pulled of this web sight was the following quote; "Know that when you are through learning, you are through.". Seems it could apply here.

rwt_bkk said in the 'Training the mind' thread; "The basics - yeah I know you just want to quickly learn the basics and get on with the high speed stuff. Well the difference between the amateurs and professionals is that professional do the basics better. When you are in combat the winners will be those who do the basics better. Shoot, kill, move that is all there is to winning. ". I think its back to basics Maj. Lamar.....

I can't wrap my brain around the concept of treating a firearm as anything less than a very serious piece of equipment. How so called "professionals" allow themselves to become so careless is a shame. It prompts manufacturers to try to build-out the problem by adding more safeties. Tsk Tsk Tsk.

One word: IDIOT!! Go drive yourself into a tree or something.:rolleyes:

I remember seeing that one. He tried to walk it off and keep going too. What an idiot. Best part is when he said "I'm the only one qualified to carry this in the room". Then it went off.

the carbines my department has have 3 round burst...................and we NEVER use it

the short story is the guns were bought by someone who was in administration and not someone who was actually going to be using them. I think this probably happens quite a bit (at least is has been my experience in the job)

I remember one time when someone in admin ordered a bunch of expandable batons without ever even speaking to a baton instructor.

Another example was someone ordering quite a bit of flashbangs and chemical munitions without ever bothering to find out what was actually needed

But then again, maybe some of them think it's just cool

Normally we don't, but a firefight is a firefight, regardless of whether it's in Iraq or hometown USA, you can be just as dead, either way. (Not that I recommend full auto in either situation, I like slow, aimed, accurate, 30 caliber fire over Chinese wave attack suppressing fire)

Also, many smaller agencies can buy surplus M-16s for a buck from govt programs. Our sheriff's office bought 3 brand new M-4s under such a program, full auto. Granted, they could be altered to semi only fire, but, as long as proper training is done, the full auto option can be useful.

(Hollywood bank robbery firefight, FBI car stop in Florida firefight, and a few others come to mind...)

GROG

oh, and plus, they can be really fun to shoot... :D

Another idiot who doesn't belong in law enforcement
 

Utah Chief Who Shot Self to Keep Job

Posted: Tuesday, May 27, 2008
Updated: May 27th, 2008 09:47 AM PDT

LINDSAY WHITEHURST
The Salt Lake Tribune

Riverdale Police Chief Dave Hansen will likely keep his job despite violating safety policies when he shot himself with his service gun, officials said after releasing an internal police report.

"It was an accident. That's the way we're treating it," Riverdale City Administrator Larry Hansen, who is not related to the chief, said. He didn't foresee any changes to the chief's job status.

The shooting happened May 3 during a training class for concealed weapons permits. Hansen, 54, was trying to demonstrate the rifling grooves inside the barrel of his loaded Glock 27 when he said, "I don't know I can show you this without pointing it at anyone," according to the Riverdale police department internal affairs investigation.

Hansen decided to take the gun apart instead. He had loaded the semi-automatic weapon during a previous demonstration, and a clip was still inside, the report states.

To remove the slide on a Glock, the trigger must be pulled, the report states. With the gun under the table and pointed at the floor, Hansen pulled it.

A bullet shot from the gun, entered his left calf and exited from the ankle.

"He was struggling to remove it . . .saying 'It's been awhile since I've done this,' and the next thing BOOM," one participant stated in the report. "I thought it was a part of the class, then I saw the bullet and the blood and it set in."

A participant gave his shirt to stop the bleeding, and another held the shirt to Hansen's ankle.

Hansen was in the hospital for three to four days, Riverdale City Attorney Steve Brooks said, and will likely to return to work within two weeks.

Some of the 12 participants were concerned no officers checked on the other people in the room.

Hansen broke safety policies by having a loaded gun in the training class, having live ammunition in the gun and failing to preform a clearance check when unloading the gun.

The Weber County Attorney's office will conduct a second investigation at the city's request, but County Attorney Mark DeCaria did not say if charges would be filed.

Hansen started with the Riverdale Police Department more than 20 years ago and became chief two years ago. He is a certified concealed firearms instructor in Utah and has taught classes regularly for five years.

An M4 or M16 is not usually thought of as a "machine gun", though capable of automatic fire. ;)

According to BATFE....

A shoestring is a machinegun.

I have a copy of the letter from the FTB saying such....


I am MUCH closer in my description than they are. :D