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Air.177 05-05-2004 15:10

Martial Arts
 
Anyone Study? What do you study, How long have you studied, Would you recommend your art to anyone else?

Kyobanim 05-05-2004 18:18

I've studied Jidu Kwan Tae Kwon Do for just about 5 years. I wouldn't recommend it to anyone looking for a self defense martial art. The self defense our school uses is based on Hapkido and Ju Jitzu with very little kicking.

TKD is pretty much feet. There's not too many people who can use it as an effective self defense. But for an all around work out it's really good.

I like it for competition. I've won quite a few against Karate practitioners because they weren't used to all the junping and spinning we do. Then again, I've gotten my ass kicked at the US Open 2 years running because the more experienced guys know how to slip in when I'm up.

But it's like anything else, it's up to the instructor to make it good.

Wiseman 05-05-2004 19:56

I studied TKD for 5 years too. I'm thinking about getting back into it.

Kyobanim 05-25-2004 18:48

Here's a martial arts forum that's just getting started. Thought you guys might want to check it out.

Air, there's no one there for Arnis.

NousDefionsDoc 05-25-2004 19:03

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Monkey Stomping is my style. My Master:

NousDefionsDoc 05-25-2004 19:13

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Weapon of choice:

Kyobanim 05-25-2004 19:22

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Originally posted by NousDefionsDoc
Monkey Stomping is my style. My Master:
I feel the creative bug coming over me . . .

NousDefionsDoc 05-25-2004 19:28

Seriously

What I like

Not for the kiddies for sure.

Kyobanim 05-25-2004 19:32

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Monky stompin .. . mugging for the camera.

I got to check out that site when the boy goes to bed.

The Reaper 05-25-2004 19:48

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Originally posted by NousDefionsDoc
Seriously

What I like

Not for the kiddies for sure.

I smell Kelly Mc involved with this.

TR

Kyobanim 05-25-2004 19:54

I like that site. Of particular interest was the edge hand knock out points.

NousDefionsDoc 05-25-2004 20:00

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Originally posted by The Reaper
I smell Kelly Mc involved with this.

TR

LOL - you know me well. He is of that line.

Bill Harsey 05-25-2004 20:03

Eight years Tang Soo Do with Chuck Norris, Pacific Northwest Team Captain for three years, won Western States Championships for two out of the three. Then I began the long journey from "Samurai to Swordmaker". Any of you hotshots want to pick me off, please know I can get hit as hard as anyone you ever knew. The only style of martial arts I have any desire to further study is Monkey Stomping!

NousDefionsDoc 05-25-2004 20:09

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The only style of martial arts I have any desire to further study is Monkey Stomping!

MONKEY STOMPING!

LOL

JIHADITO!

Bill Harsey 05-25-2004 20:11

MASTER! Thank you for not making fun of my humble desires.

NousDefionsDoc 05-25-2004 20:15

Training with Chuck is impressive Blade Master. He used to hit verrrry hard from what I saw when he was fighting. Probably still go a round or two.

Bill Harsey 05-25-2004 20:25

Martial Arts and modern warfare, very interesting topic. First, learn the firearms. Col. Rex Applegate and i discussed this several times. both shooting and hand to hand fighting had some common factors, training the reflexes for emergency stress response had a lot to do with success or not. Don't get locked into a single "style". We trained american boxing, grappling, judo, takedowns and throws as well as strikes. We could do high kicks ( in the old days I could do a jump spinning heel kick thru three inches of wood held suspended by the top only) and have knocked out several partners in training with body kicks. That scared the shit out of me because I'd thought I'd killed a friend when they hit the deck vibrating like a stunned fish, but I also understood how exposed high kicks were "on the street". Keep it real.

NousDefionsDoc 05-25-2004 20:34

I love this topic. The Gung Ho Chuan and Gutter Fighters, same line as Col. Applegate, use a force continuum/escalation theory. Empty hand/Baton (ASP)/ knife/firearm. Pick your degree of force according to the threat. All are drawn basically the same and presented from the same body position - mechanics are very similar. I agree about the handgun - hardest to learn and I like doing the hard thing first.

Passing, blocking, axe hands, chin jabs, snap cuts, FLASH (for the TS LOL) sight picture shooting. Always having the advantage. Great stuff.

Fighting with rules is sport, and I don't play sports.

Of course The Reaper's BMFG with APLP ammo at 1,000 meters trumps.:munchin

DunbarFC 05-25-2004 20:35

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Originally posted by NousDefionsDoc
Weapon of choice:


You sure you aren't from South Boston ?

;)

Bill Harsey 05-25-2004 20:38

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Originally posted by NousDefionsDoc
Training with Chuck is impressive Blade Master. He used to hit verrrry hard from what I saw when he was fighting. Probably still go a round or two.
One cold Oregon season we'd brought Chuck up to Oregon for both a testing and tournament. That cool saturday morning the media was there to do a thing on Chuck so he asked me to help him warm up by my holding the strike pad on my left hand so he could do some spinning heel kicks. The first time he hit my hand was like I got hit with a baseball bat so I pulled my arm back into position so he could do it again (even old guys get lucky...) sumbitch, strike no. 2 was harder and I turned past half ways backwards. Hmmm, momma didn't raise no dummy, ok, quit now or stay in this style of martial arts. well awright, Momma raised a dummy, I put my arm back up and got hit even harder, WOW! I thought, if he misses the pad, my wrist is shattered. Sumbitch, cameras rolling now, can't quit. do it again, this is starting to hurt damnit. 10 times that side then change sides...same thing. Chuck never missed the center of the strike pad. I think he could help with Monkey Stomping.

Bill Harsey 05-25-2004 20:46

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Originally posted by NousDefionsDoc
I love this topic. The Gung Ho Chuan and Gutter Fighters, same line as Col. Applegate, use a force continuum/escalation theory. Empty hand/Baton (ASP)/ knife/firearm. Pick your degree of force according to the threat. All are drawn basically the same and presented from the same body position - mechanics are very similar. I agree about the handgun - hardest to learn and I like doing the hard thing first.

Passing, blocking, axe hands, chin jabs, snap cuts, FLASH (for the TS LOL) sight picture shooting. Always having the advantage. Great stuff.

Fighting with rules is sport, and I don't play sports.

Of course The Reaper's BMFG with APLP ammo at 1,000 meters trumps.:munchin

OK, Lets keep the Good Reaper out of this just for the moment, Using/training the human bodys natural stress response to a threat is the most important thing I learned from Rex Applegate. This is Monkey Stomping 101.

NousDefionsDoc 05-25-2004 20:51

Re: Martial Arts
 
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Originally posted by Air.177
Anyone Study? What do you study, How long have you studied, Would you recommend your art to anyone else?
Are you studying?

Air.177 05-25-2004 20:54

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Originally posted by NousDefionsDoc
Weapon of choice:
WTF????

No Smatchet???:D

Bill Harsey 05-25-2004 20:58

Sir Air.177, NDD's question...

Air.177 05-25-2004 21:04

Re: Re: Martial Arts
 
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Originally posted by NousDefionsDoc
Are you studying?
Not consistantly now, But I still play with Modern Arnis stick stuff and Some Ryuku Kempo w/Kyusho jitsu pressure point stuff thrown in for good measure. Lots of knock outs and energy related stuff.

Air.177 05-25-2004 21:08

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Originally posted by Bill Harsey
Sir Air.177, NDD's question...
Tallyho, I didn't see it before I posted

skipjack 05-25-2004 21:18

I studied Jeet Kune Do, along with Kun Tao, Gracie Jiu-Jitsu (with Royce Gracie), Kali (double stick and knife) and a couple others for about 4 years. Still practice periodically. I loved it and wish I had the time and the money to get back into it. Great for practical self defence and a great workout!

-skipjack

Razor 05-25-2004 21:40

NDD, d'you get the 'manual' I e-mailed?

Smokin Joe 05-25-2004 22:58

Studied Koden Kan Dan Zan Ryu Jujitsu for 13 years (achived Ni-dan).

While studying Jujitsu I did some stuff under Professor Walli Jay.....mostly tap out and scream. What an amazing instructor.

Also did some old school Ninjitsu with a guy from Isreal....If you guys want to know his name PM me I will not post it in the open. He got his 7th in Ninjitsu from Hatsumi in Japan.

Currently just started Combat Hapkido.

I recently went to a Bill Wolfe DEFENDO seminar. WOW that guy is one BAD MAMA JAMA. Mr. Harsey I'm sure you know Mr. Wolfe I guess he learned DEFENDO from Col Applegate. I can't wait to go to another one of his classes.

If you guys are curious this is DEFENDO .

Sdiver 05-25-2004 23:56

Studied Ed Parker's IKKA Kenpo Karate for 3 1/2 years. Was assistant instructor, for the kiddies and lower ranking belts at my studio for 2 years.

Was Jeff Speakman's punching bag, when he came to Denver to promote his (and Mr. Parker's) movie The Perfect Weapon. My Instructor was more into Kick boxing than Kata's and forms, so we did alot of training in that and competed in alot of the local fights. ( My record 11-2-1) Met Chuck Norris, too. Once was at one of my Instructors fights and latter when I worked on an Episode of Walker, Texas Ranger. Nice guy.

But now that I've found out about the secrets of Monkey Stomping, those other Eastern Styles can take a back seat. Where do I sign up?

NousDefionsDoc 05-26-2004 07:22

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Originally posted by Razor
NDD, d'you get the 'manual' I e-mailed?
Negative

NousDefionsDoc 05-26-2004 07:31

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Originally posted by Smokin Joe

I recently went to a Bill Wolfe DEFENDO seminar. WOW that guy is one BAD MAMA JAMA. Mr. Harsey I'm sure you know Mr. Wolfe I guess he learned DEFENDO from Col Applegate. I can't wait to go to another one of his classes.

If you guys are curious this is DEFENDO .

My research indicates that Col. Applegate did not have to do with Defendo. It would seem that DEFENDU was what Fairbairn called his system fairly early on. I would guess that Mr. Wolfe's line is from Pat O'Neil (Fairbairn-Sykes stud from Shanghai) through the First Special Service Force and the Commando Schools in Scotland. From what I read, there was a divergence when Fairbairn came to the US to teach Americans with Applegate and Sykes et al stayed in the UK to teach the Brits, Canadians and deployed Gringos. Its all pretty much the same stuff, and I have heard good things about Mr. Wolfe. As the Blade Master said previously, all roads lead back to Shanghai prior to the war.

Smokin Joe 05-26-2004 07:45

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Originally posted by NousDefionsDoc
My research indicates that Col. Applegate did not have to do with Defendo. It would seem that DEFENDU was what Fairbairn called his system fairly early on. I would guess that Mr. Wolfe's line is from Pat O'Neil (Fairbairn-Sykes stud from Shanghai) through the First Special Service Force and the Commando Schools in Scotland. From what I read, there was a divergence when Fairbairn came to the US to teach Americans with Applegate and Sykes et al stayed in the UK to teach the Brits, Canadians and deployed Gringos. Its all pretty much the same stuff, and I have heard good things about Mr. Wolfe. As the Blade Master said previously, all roads lead back to Shanghai prior to the war.

NDD,

I think you would love one of his classes. Its a "serious down and dirty no BS about it, we are going to fight hard and mean until the other guy is knocked out or dead." He had some great simple to master techniques on how to drop someone in less than 5 seconds. He teaches to have someone down and out (one way or another) before you can count to 1,2,3,4,5.

MAKE SURE YOU WEAR A CUP. Man my nuts still hurt after that class.

He demos some the stuff he taught in the seminar I took on his online video clips. Check it out.

Valhal 05-26-2004 11:03

I've studied a little of everything, jack of all trades master of none. I started early, a system called big brother monkey stomp. Good shit.

I was wondering if anyone has heard of this guy or his system. It looks interesting.

http://www.targetfocusweapons.com/

regards Mark

NousDefionsDoc 05-26-2004 11:32

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Originally posted by Valhal
I've studied a little of everything, jack of all trades master of none. I started early, a system called big brother monkey stomp. Good shit.

I was wondering if anyone has heard of this guy or his system. It looks interesting.

http://www.targetfocusweapons.com/

regards Mark

I don't know Mr. Larkin, but two observations:
1.
Quote:

I've spent years training some of the most elite commandos including US Navy SEALs, 'Green Berets', Delta Force, US Army Special Forces, US Marshals, FBI Hostage Rescue Units and others in just this type of system.
sets off bells, whistles sirens to me.

2. He is far to pretty to be a Monkey Stomper.

Buyer Beware

You want tapes? Check out Jim Grover/Kelly McCann on Paladin Press. Very good Monkey Stomping. Carl Cestari tapes from the link on Gutter Fighting should be good as well, although I haven't seen them.

Team Sergeant 05-26-2004 12:11

Roger and agree. When you see anything on the web that says what this guy is saying it’s most likely pure bullshit.

There’s a guy in Scottsdale I made remove the same sort of lies from his website and now he runs/owns a multi-million dollar shooting facility. Go figure.

Living off the hard earned reputations of SOF soldiers rates right up there with selling drugs to children.

Team Sergeant

CPTAUSRET 05-26-2004 12:26

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Originally posted by Team Sergeant


Living off the hard earned reputations of SOF soldiers rates right up there with selling drugs to children.

Team Sergeant

CONCUR, TOTALLY!

Terry

Eagle5US 05-26-2004 12:35

to join the crowd...
 
Studied a little of a few (2 yrs Northwest Freestyle -Steve "Mad Dog" Curran), 2 years Tang Soo Do (didn't care too much), 1 year TWD (not real flexible-I sucked), 6 years Wing Chun Kung Fu-1 year as senior student (by far my most favorite), and now a re-introduction to Hei Wa Do / Yammani Ryu weapons for just over the past 2 years, Was Shodan as a Child / now I Senpai for the lower belts) - qualified for the Nationals this year till I blew out my knee :(
The monkey Stomping techniques have been a closely gaurded secret I have yet to unlock or find someone willing to part with.
Me thinks that Gary O'Neal probably held some of them while he beat me senseless. He would use me for his warm-ups before he fought Van Damme in "Cyborg".

Eagle

Sacamuelas 05-26-2004 15:03

never been much of a formal martial arts kind of guy
 
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Monkey Stomping is my style. My Master:
LOL....
I have studied and participated in this fighting style my entire life. Upon becoming an adult(16 w/fake ID, LOL), I began studying the art from some of the brightest and most experienced,well trained master's in the South. The sparring partner's names escape me, but the lessons learned from the victories and the few defeats have increased my appreciation for the science of the Monkey Stomping style. Just a few "dojo's" on my resume:

-Numerous lessons and seminars at the Pines Club just south of Wiggins, Ms.

-Untold and invaluable training sessions The Dutch Bar , Rodeo's, and the Dock in Jackson, Mississippi

- the Flora-Bama training facility on the Al/FL line in orange beach that is so dear and close to my heart

- Fat Harry's, Gold Mine, World Beat, Cat's Meow in New Orleans,La

- Honkey Tonk in Slidell, La.


From these master dojo's I have studied/observed/practiced/competed and strive to become a 6 THUMP level master monkey stomper. HaHa :lifter You boy's can keep your fancy color coordinated belts and girly robes. LOL

Sacamuelas 05-26-2004 15:35

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BEFORE this turns into a " I can kick your ass with my robes and fancy belt" reply contest... I am not saying that you can't learn to improve your skills and possibly improve your outcome from training in a formal style. I am more of a believer in the "Wild Dog" attitude that fighting to win requires (see pic below for my Master). They don't and can't give anyone that with a belt or piece of certification for attendance. When one combines the ancient art of "wild dog" and "monkey stomp", then pure fighters are born. HaHa

I am just saying that I have known VERY few people that practiced enough and learned truly valuable techniques that actually help them in a street/bar fight. I know they are out there... No need to tell me about it.

I am sure a master "wild dog-monkey stomper" further refined by one of these special forms of training would indeed be one bad mofo.


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