SF ParaOrdnance
 

It would appear that Para made a run of these for individual purchase by 3rd Group personnel, then made a few more for other SF guys. It has the SF crest on the left rear of the slide, above the safety, and an SF model number on the right slide flat. I understand that the 3rd Group models have a TF designation engraved there.

Steel framed P-14 high-cap in .45 ACP with the Nite-Tac set-up, but with the 1911 single action trigger. Low-profile tritium sights and a light rail. Guide rod. Extended ambi-safety. Scalloped slide serrations front and rear. Appears to be a KG type coating on the frame and slide.

Has anyone here seen one of these?

Thanks to Mssrs. Harsey and Reeve for making the great Yarborough Knife, and to kgoerz for the spiffy Crye bag.

TR

Glad to see you didn't waste any time hangin' a light off it..

Lookin' good! :cool:

The model number is SF-45-A. I have one. The gun design was put together by a guy in my company who is a huge Wilson Combat fan. Gun is tight, supposedly with tolerances around 1/4000. The guy who was working with us at Para passed on and when his successor came in, he about lost his mind because he figured Para was lossing money on the deal. I had not heard that they were producing guns outside of our battalion that did not have the TF Desert Eagle logo.

BTW, anyone who has one and decides they no longer want it, feel free to PM me and I will take it off your hands.

SF Paras
 

TR,

Several of my 19th Group boys here in Bgahdad just ordered a bunch of them with "10th Group" stamped on them. I asked them why they just didn't ask for a 19th Group stamping and the light bulb hadn't come on yet.

The deal they got quoted was $700 for the pistol with five high-cap magazines.

And I suppose if they offered them to the old guys out here the price would be around $2000 or better. Nice weapon though.

You can't have one where you are. Holds too many bullets.

Might make you lose your mind and kill three more with each mag before reloading.:rolleyes:

TR

NJ mag limit is 15.;)

I stand corrected.

Five more sheep per reload, if you are using headshots, since hollow points (or as my in-laws call them, "dum-dum cop killer bullets" are also illegal there.;)

TR

Para recently did a limited run like this for the TX Rangers as well. (obviously with different engraving)

Blake

Hollow points are legal you just can't use them in the commission of a felony.

Isn't committing a felony already illegal?

TR

You can have and use (at home or for use at the range) hollow points in NJ. You can walk into any gun store in the state and walkout with them no questions asked. If you use them in the commission of a felony (i.e. armed robbery) it brings an additional felony charge on top of the original one.

Living in NJ really sucks if you're into shooting. I'm a little luckier than others in that I also have a place in PA. That's where I keep all my assault weapons and other politically incorrect items. It seems most of the politicians and second rate citizens of NJ have that disease called Liberalism so they don't really know what they are doing when it comes to laws. A prime example was the latest attempt to ban 50 cal rifles. They recieved a lot of complaints from black powder users who reenact revolutionary and civil war battles during memorial services and other occassions. Not to mention hunters. So what do they do? They come to gun owners and say we are not cooperating or helping them in passing the correct law. Now let me get this straight. You want me to help you take my rights away. Liberalism plain and simple.

Sorry for the drift off topic.

We now return you to the Para SF-45-A discussion.

What can I say, I just happened to have a spare lying around.;)

TR

I had been hearing about it up here but was having some trouble finding information. I believe they're offering them for sale. Sounds like I need to use some promotion/tdy money and pick one up to go with my Kimber Warrior.

ParaOrd .45
 

GTCrispy, I've got contact info if you want one from 1st Group. I already dropped my name in the hat to order a shamelessly self-promoting SF blaster. It's my birthday gift to myself. :D We're just waiting on 35 willing participants to place an order.

They have also made and offered a version to 1st CAV. $750 for the pistol, 5 hi cap mags, and the tac light. I Believe they are doing these for all deployed Units for each deployment because of of the engravings on this pistol is "OIF 06' - 08"

Good deal though.

Oh really? My roommate had brought home an order form and I went ahead and filled it out and emailed it to Para Ordnace already. I didn't know we had to wait for 35 orders...I guess I'll see what I get back from Para Ord about the status of my order.

I finally just got my 10th Group Pistol today. My wife ordered it while I was in Iraq and had planned to surprise me with it when I got back. It was supposed to have been delivered on the first of November but that didn't happen. Over the next month my wife made a number of calls to the company and was told that the weapon would be shipped on such and such a date which never happened. During this time I was aware that buddies of mine who had ordered these guns were having similar problems but I did not yet know that my wife had ordered one for me. She finally got fed up and called to cancel the order and get a refund that she would use to buy a gun locally. A supervisor got on and talked to her and swore that the gun would be here on Wednesday. It arrived today. Still, I am excited to have this gun and can't wait to get to a range though I doubt that I will order another gun from Para-ordnance.


SFC W

SFC W:

I am sorry to hear that you/your wife got the runaround. I hate being lied to as well. Just tell me six weeks, if that is what it is going to be.

At the same time, if anyone who carries concealed and likes the 1911 is looking for a good carry gun, the P-12 Lightweight has been my favorite for a long time. The aluminum framed P-12 holds 12 rounds of .45 ACP, is roughtly the same size as a Colt Lightweight Officer's Model or any of the other 3.5" barreled 1911s, and weighs just about the same, with the addition of the extra five rounds. It also takes the larger 13 and 14 round mags (from the P13, P-14, and SF-45) for reloads, so if you carry it as a backup handgun, you can use the same mags as your primary.

Might be worth considering if you decide you like your SF-45 and are in the market for a carry gun.

TR

Thanks for the headsup. I'm going to call them after the new year but i'll make sure I keep up after them if they start to do the same to me.

gtcrispy,

I hope the price that you got with Para is same as the one that 1st Groupers are trying to get. I think it's around $650 with all the add-ons and accessories. I was thinking about getting one but it was a little too big for me as a carry gun.

On a side note, the same guy is trying to set up a P220/P226 group buy with an SF crest. Again, those are pretty good deals, but too big for me.

Yeah, the 'guy' was at the SFA Chapter team house, drumming up orders on these SIGs. It sounded like a good deal. As I recall he got some orders.

I would have liked to order a 220, but I own an older version of the SIG 226 and 220. (No night sights, no flashlight attachment, etc.) My wife would have killed me if I ordered one. :eek: :(

As it is, I seldom carry a full sized pistol, anyway. I seem to carry my Glock model 27 .40 a lot because of the size, etc. :munchin

Yup I got the same price. It's $695 or so I believe. I used the 1SFG order form when I sent it in. Maybe when I return from the next trip I'll consider getting one of the Sig's. My SGM has 226 with the crest. Looked nice. I had a 226 but sold it to a buddy so maybe i'll have to get another one eventually.

Well my CC along with some other guys were charged last week so it looks like going direct might've worked out just fine anyhow. We'll see if its on the way.

Picked mine up today. Perhaps because I went directly to Para, I ended up with a Pistol with just two SF Crests and no 1st Grp crossed arrows. No biggie. Looking forward to taking it to the range.

I laughed so hard I scared my dog! "Tip of the Spear" Warrior :lifter with SFAS, SERE, Weapons Training, CQB Training etc, etc. Operational in God know's where doing God know's what :lifter for Heaven know's how long and still ruled by a 'lil ole slip of a girl! The "Universal Scheme of Things" stands inviolate!

Few quick pics of mine. Went to range to work on breaking it in. Had some malfuctions as far as chambering rounds. We'll see how it goes after I get more rounds through it. The only thing I don't like on it right now is that trigger has a bit more slack then my Kimber Warrior.

Maybe you'd have fewer malfunctions if you stopped sticking the muzzle up your butt. :D

What ammo were you using, just seems like a lot of powder burn outside the muzzle.

I say Winchester white box, but PMC does the same thing.

Acetone the slide and any parts that rub together to speed the lapping process and it'll break in faster. Just make sure you clean it really well after shooting before you lube it.

Para's have a finicky extractor setup and some require tuning or spring replacements to make them run good.

Was it chambering the round high (getting hung on the case lip), or just from being a bit dirty. If it keeps up, polishing compound on the feedramp and a good jewelry polishing cloth will fix most small feedramp problems. I'm a Dremel wizz, but don't recommend this for everyone. :D

Hey, you follow your break in procedures, and let him stick to his.:D

My gunsmith told me that owners with Dremel tools were the greatest source of business that he had.

TR

That is why I said that it's not for everyone. :p

I played with mine on scrap angle iron as a kid before I even thought of touching a gun. My punishment sometimes was to sharpen mower blades when I had a night out and came home too late. You'll learn early on that brush hogs have Ginormus blades and aren't fun to sharpen with a hangover. :D

Thanks! I'll keep that in mind :D


I was shooting HSM reloads I bought from the local gunshow. I've fired quite a few of them in 9mm, .40 and .45acp. They fire flawlessly in my Kimber Warrior and through my HK P2000 and HK USPc 9mm.

The feedramp is already highly polished. The rounds would get caught on part of the feedramp angled slightly down. I would just pull the side back a little bit and let it go and it would chamber the round. Often it was the case when i was loading the pistol and releasing the slide though it did happen during normal firing. I prob put around 150rds through it so I'll clean it and see how it functions after I get more rounds through it.

LOL Ha Ha Ha, "1911's" ho ho ha ha "lapping process" ha ha ho ho "spring replacements" lol, ha ha ha "he said finicky",LMAO Ha Ha Ha, "feed ramp problem"....LOLOLOLOL make them stop!

Where's my HK USP that has never failed to fire, extract, no replacement parts, ever.....

Do yourself a favor, sell the 1911 clone and purchase a real 21st century piece.....:D

I suspect that if you could convince HK to make an SF special edition, at a reasonable price, lots of SF guys would do just that.

Looks like HK is about the only one not participating.

TR

You're a big ole' meany.......hehe

Your statement hasn't gone unnoticed I'm sure. I have 5 HK's, 4 Sigs, and 2 1911's. There is a reason for the high number of 21st century pieces, cause they work. So do the 1911's and rather well.

You know now someone will now come in and make a Grock comment :p

Now leave us alone and let us spend our hard earned money on fun toys TS.......I kid, I kid. Moving out ;)

HK doesn't participate, they have lived a Hermit like existence for far too long to be in touch with their users, civilian or military.

Most manufacturers are offering incentives for a purchase of one of their firearms. Sig has a $50 or $100 rebate depending on models. Para Ord runs this offer pretty regularly (which is a damn fine one too), S&W has at times offered good pricing for LE/Mil. Glock has the LE/Mil Purchase program. Name a big domestic company that does not offer good deals for LE/Mil, there are few, very few.

Small companies are getting in on it. HK just does it for exclusive rights. I love their guns, but don't like their attitude towards end users. Our Bn armorer doesn't like playing around with the MP-5's anymore because he has a hard time getting parts kits. HK wouldn't even send him a manual for the MP-5 in Afghanistan to help him fix them. They just wanted it to be sent in. I can't imagine civilian customers trying to get something from them.

I also have ONE 1911 in my gun safe and as soon as the "Antiques Roadshow" comes to Phoenix its gone.:D

I've heard this quite a lot, I'll have a chat with them (HK Reps) at the Shot Show.....:D

Wish I could be there
 

ROFLMAO!!!!

You going it alone, or you running with the PS.com PSD??? :p You alone is enough, PS.com members rolling deep = Parting of the Red Sea!!

At least you have the creds to lay on the table and get some attention. Hope it works out. I've been wanting some damn parts for a while.

Am I missing something here or are all hi-cap style 1911's notorious for feed problems? Let me know if I'm wrong here.

And my HK .45 is great, but I'm a southpaw and have waited over three months for my L/S selector lever to come in.

Does anyone have the info or link for the order forms so I can pass it on to us Nasty Girls in Rhode Island?

The Sig 220's are nice, we have a few of then floating around up here. New Englanders are partial their sigs.

Out,
T.