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Roguish Lawyer 03-10-2004 11:54

Re: Re: I'm with NDD on this.
 
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Originally posted by Airbornelawyer
C'mon Guy, can't you just learn to celebrate diversity?
Where can I buy that shirt?

pulque 03-10-2004 11:55

its a busy day at the gene factory, but I will be back later. I disagree completely that you can catch homosexuality like a disease.

also, I did not quote Nancy Andreasen in my post above. I'm sorry if it seemed that way. Her book does not mention homosexuality, it is about the biology of mental disease. I mentioned the book because it is a good resource for understanding the difference between biological and genetic when it comes to psychology.

Guy 03-10-2004 12:02

Re: Re: I'm with NDD on this.
 
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Originally posted by Airbornelawyer
C'mon Guy, can't you just learn to celebrate diversity?
Diversity in firearms, YES! This other type, NO! They wear HOMOSEXUALITY on there chest like...it's a badge of honor.

NousDefionsDoc 03-10-2004 12:03

Re: Re: Re: I'm with NDD on this.
 
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Originally posted by Roguish Lawyer
Where can I buy that shirt?
You can't. You can only get it when you order a man's gun.





It only comes in women's sizes and has darts on the sides at the chest.

Roguish Lawyer 03-10-2004 12:14

Re: Re: Re: Re: I'm with NDD on this.
 
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Originally posted by NousDefionsDoc
You can't. You can only get it when you order a man's gun.
I was recently persuaded to go with the HK USP .45. Maybe a .40 for Catwoman too. That work for you?

Sigi 03-10-2004 12:21

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Originally posted by Solid
I'd say that some people are born with a genetic predisposition towards homosexuality.
Otherwise, the onus is on the environment and I'm no behaviourist, so I'm not about to believe that the environment (while a significant factor in development) is entirely the cause of homosexuality.


I agree with this. I don't read alot on this subject so I don't know everything, but it really hasn't been proven their not predisposed, correct?

People are predisposed genetically for a number of traits, why not homosexuality? Some look for the lifestyle and some don't. But to blanket the entire populace of homosexuals as choosing their sexuality is ludicrous and lazy.

Plenty of good people are homosexuals. Talented, professional, productive citizens. If you a good person I could care less either way.

That leaves me with more opportunites. :D

NousDefionsDoc 03-10-2004 12:21

Why a .40 for Cat Woman? I don't like .40. I don't see what you gain and you can't find ammo for it anywhere but the US. You can pick 9mm up off the ground and it grows on trees. - LOL. Either get her a 9mm or a .45. If you get her a .45, you'll have an excuse for reloading equipment. Plus, you can always shoot her ammo if you run out. LOL

The HK is a good choice. Get her one too. If you both have the same, it won't matter what one she grabs, she'll know how to work it.

Roguish Lawyer 03-10-2004 12:25

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Originally posted by NousDefionsDoc
Why a .40 for Cat Woman? I don't like .40. I don't see what you gain and you can't find ammo for it anywhere but the US. You can pick 9mm up off the ground and it grows on trees. - LOL. Either get her a 9mm or a .45. If you get her a .45, you'll have an excuse for reloading equipment. Plus, you can always shoot her ammo if you run out. LOL

The HK is a good choice. Get her one too.

.40 is a bit lighter. We're not going to be carrying weapons abroad. 9mm is a .45 set to stun, or so I am told.

But I welcome other comments on this subject.

NousDefionsDoc 03-10-2004 12:26

You mean the gun is lighter?

Airbornelawyer 03-10-2004 12:35

Re: Re: Re: I'm with NDD on this.
 
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Originally posted by Roguish Lawyer
Where can I buy that shirt?
http://www.thoseshirts.com/

Roguish Lawyer 03-10-2004 13:22

Quote:

Originally posted by NousDefionsDoc
You mean the gun is lighter?
Yes.

pulque 03-10-2004 14:14

IMO, a person is not born gay. A person could be born predisposed to being gay. Environment, both physical and social, can have an impact if you are predisposed. BUT if every gay person were to stop having children (passing on their genes), I think there would still be gay people. If suddenly being gay in the open ("in your face") were illegal, i think there would still be gay people.

:munchin

Solid 03-10-2004 14:41

Substantial research compares (through statistics) homosexuality to schizophrenia. A large amount of information suggests that (S) arises genetically as a predisposition, not as a certainty. Furthermore, this predisposition arises even in individuals whose genetic inheritance for the past five generations has not included the (S) gene- it may have something to do with a mutation of a certain chromosome, I can't remember which number.
This predisposition is then enhanced by environment- figures rise greatly in monozygotic twin studies where the twins grew up in the same environment, when compared to studies where the MZ twins were seperated at birth.

The point is- if there is a genetic disposition to schizophrenia, why not to homosexuality, also?

BTW- homosexuality is NOT a disease, and has not been so in the DSM IV for quite some time.

Solid

Roguish Lawyer 03-26-2004 19:07

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald...printstory.jsp

John Kerry favors civil unions for gays

By DOUGLASS K. DANIEL
Associated Press

WASHINGTON - Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry says he believes people are born gay but are not guaranteed the right to marry within their own gender.

"I think it's entirely who you are from birth, personally," Kerry said in an interview to be broadcast on MTV. "Some people might choose, but I think that it's, it's who you are. I think you have ... people need to be able to be who they are."

Asked why he favors civil unions instead of marriage if people are born gay, Kerry replied: "What is distinct is the institutional name or whatever people look at as the sacrament within a church, or within a synagogue or within a mosque as a religious institution. There is a distinction. And the civil state really just adopted that, and it's the rights that are important, not the sort of ... the name of the institution."

In a transcript released Friday by MTV for its Tuesday special "Choose or Lose: 20 Million Questions for John Kerry," the presumptive Democratic nominee said he favors civil unions to give people partnership, inheritance and other rights.

"I think that people have a right in America to be who they are," Kerry said. "I believe very strongly that we can advance the cause of equality by moving toward civil union."

President Bush supports a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage, a measure Kerry opposes on the grounds that marriage is a state issue. Kerry has said he would outlaw job discrimination against homosexuals, extend hate-crime protection to them, and allow them to serve openly in the military.

Bush has continued President Clinton's policy allowing gays to serve in the military if they are not open about their homosexuality.

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People like independent candidate Ralph Nader less today than they did when he ran for president in 2000, according to a poll released Friday.

Some 21 percent said they have a favorable view of Nader, while almost twice that many, 37 percent, have an unfavorable view, according to the National Annenberg Election Survey.

People were evenly split - 24 percent favorable and 24 percent unfavorable - on the consumer activist four years ago when he ran as a Green Party candidate against Democrat Al Gore and Republican George W. Bush.

Many Democrats blame Nader for the Bush victory in the close 2000 election, though Nader says the blame falls on Gore for running a poor campaign, and on the U.S. Supreme Court.

Former President Carter told fellow Democrats on Thursday that he would advise Nader to go back to "examining the rear ends of automobiles and don't risk costing Democrats the White House this year, as you did four years ago."

Those who want to see Democrat John Kerry defeat President Bush this year have asked Nader not to run, a plea he has rejected.

Liberals were more likely to see him favorably in 2000 - 33 percent to 17 percent unfavorable. But they are split about evenly, according to the poll.

Republicans' views of Nader have grown more negative, despite claims that his presence in the race helped Bush win the presidency. In 2000, 33 percent of Republicans viewed Nader unfavorably while 18 percent had a favorable view. This year, 42 percent of Republicans view Nader unfavorably.

The poll of 1,596 adults conducted Feb. 23 to March 22 had a margin of error of plus or minus 2 percentage points.

(Associated Press Writer Will Lester contributed to this report.)


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