I have been reading the history of Wahhabism of late. During a search for current articles I came across this one about the ISG report: link. I put the link in this thread because I think the overall content ties in with some of the Initial Posts

"Only a couple of lines in the report were worthy of comment. One appears on page 29 of the printed version: "Funding for the Sunni insurgency (sic) comes from private individuals within Saudi Arabia." This was the first time anybody connected to the U.S. government acknowledged something known throughout the Muslim world. That is, Sunni terrorism in Iraq is not an insurgency, but an invasion; the "foreign fighters" are mainly Saudi, as revealed when their deaths are covered in Saudi media, replete with photographs of the "martyrs."

But this obscure comment was overlooked by most of the MSM, which is also befuddled by the recent sudden departure of Ambassador Turki al-Faisal from his post in the Royal Saudi Embassy in Washington. The MSM and a large part of the American government scratch their heads, barely capable of imagining that the revelation of the Saudi financing of Sunni terrorists in Iraq and the resignation of the kingdom's man in the U.S. would have anything in common. "

We may not be at war with it (Islam) but it sure looks as if It is at war with everyone else!:(

Somali troops capture Islamic stronghold
By NASTEEX DAHIR FARAH, Associated Press Writer2 hours, 46 minutes ago
Somali government troops backed by Ethiopian tanks and fighter jets captured the last major stronghold of a militant Islamic movement Monday, while hundreds of Islamic fighters — many of them Arabs and South Asians — fled the town.To cheering and waving crowds, well-armed troops drove into Kismayo after clearing roads laced with land mines that had been left by an estimated 3,000 hard-line Islamic fighters fleeing a 13-day military onslaught by government troops backed by Ethiopian tanks and MiG fighter jets.
"We have entered and captured the city," Maj. Gen. Ahmed Musa told The Associated Press while riding aboard a truck into Kismayo, where the Islamic fighters had vowed to make a last stand but melted away under artillery fire.
Hundreds of gunmen, who apparently deserted from the Islamic movement, began looting warehouses where the Council of Islamic Courts had stored supplies, including weapons and ammunition.
Gangs skirmished in the streets, and the southern coastal city was descending into chaos, said Sheik Musa Salad, a local businessman.
"Everything is out of control, everyone has a gun, and gangs are looting everything now that the Islamists have left," he said.
Prime Minister Ali Mohamed Gedi offered amnesty to hundreds of Islamic fighters if they gave themselves up, but he made no such offer to leaders of the group. He also ordered a countrywide disarmament starting Tuesday, an immense task in Somalia, which is awash with weapons after a 15-year civil war.
"The warlord era in Somalia is now over," Gedi said at a news conference in the recently captured capital, Mogadishu, giving a three-day deadline to hand over all weapons.
Among those sought were three al-Qaida suspects wanted in the 1998 bombings of U.S. embassies who were being sheltered by the Islamic group. The government hoped to catch them before they slipped out of the country.
Gedi also appealed for humanitarian aid and he repeated calls for an African Union peacekeeping force.
Maj. Felix Kulayigye, a spokesman for Uganda's army, said 1,000 troops could be ready to deploy in a few days. "We have one battalion prepared to go to Somalia immediately after they are cleared by the ministry of foreign affairs," he said.
A group of seven regional countries, known as IGAD, proposed a peacekeeping force for Somalia two years ago, and the United Nations endorsed the peacekeeping plans last month, but fighting prevented a deployment.
At the Somali government headquarters in Baidoa, government spokesman Abdirahman Dinari told the AP that Uganda and Nigeria have agreed to send a total of 8,000 troops soon. Dinari said the government had also asked the United States to provide air and sea surveillance to prevent suspected extremists from escaping.
The Islamic forces have a base near the Kenyan border on a small peninsula called Ras Kamboni, where there is a pier and traditional oceangoing boats known as dhows. Ethiopian MiG fighter jets flew low, looking for boats carrying escaping Islamic fighters.
Meanwhile, senior Western diplomats were pushing for the deployment of an African-led peacekeeping force in Somalia as soon as possible to help stabilize the country, said a U.S. government official on condition of anonymity because the official was not authorized to speak to the media.
Kenyan President Mwai Kibaki, in his New Year's message, called for an urgent IGAD summit to discus the Somali crisis.
The Islamic forces began to disintegrate after a night of artillery attacks at the front line and following a mutiny within its ranks, witnesses said.
Islamic leaders had vowed to make a stand against Ethiopia, which has one of the largest armies in Africa, or to begin an Iraq-style guerrilla war.
"Even if we are defeated we will start an insurgency," said Sheik Ahmed Mohamed Islan, the head of the Islamic movement in the Kismayo region. "We will kill every Somali that supports the government and Ethiopians."
Somalia's interim government and its Ethiopian allies have long accused Islamic militias of harboring al-Qaida — an accusation the movement denies — and the U.S. government has said the 1998 bombers have become leaders in the Islamic movement in Africa.
"If we capture them alive, we will hand them over to the United States," Gedi told the AP.
The military advance marked a stunning turnaround for Somalia's government, which just weeks ago could barely control one town — its base of Baidoa. The Council of Islamic Courts, which wants to transform Somalia into a strict Islamic state, had held the capital and much of southern Somalia.
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Associated Press writers Mohamed Olad Hassan, Elizabeth A. Kennedy and Les Neuhaus in Mogadishu contributed to this report.

Well, they surely are at war with us. The Brits performed an undercover investigation and found some startling radicalism within thier own house. I wonder how many of these mosques we have in the US. Edit: The Brits seem to have a wider view of extremism than we do.

sweetness-light.com/archive/youtube-has-uks-undercover-mosque

Add the http:// and www.

I am a proud kaafir. :)

Egyptian Court Sentences Blogger Charged With Insulting Islam to 4 Years in Prison
 

Such a beautiful tolerant religion......

Another step, jump backwards for egypt and islam.

Will those of you defending islam please explain this to me?

[Note to self, NEVER travel to egypt]

TS

Egyptian Court Sentences Blogger Charged With Insulting Islam to 4 Years in Prison
Thursday, February 22, 2007

ALEXANDRIA, Egypt — An Egyptian blogger was convicted of insulting Islam and President Hosni Mubarak and sentenced to four years in prison on Thursday in Egypt's first prosecution of a blogger.

Abdel Kareem Nabil, a 22-year-old former student at Egypt's Al-Azhar University, an Islamic institution, had pleaded innocent to all charges, and human rights groups had called for his release.

Nabil, who used the blogger name Kareem Amer, had sharply criticized Al-Azhar on his Web log, calling it "the university of terrorism" and accusing it of suppressing free thought. He also often criticized Mubarak's regime on the blog.

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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,253666,00.html

Everybody expects the Islamic Inquisition!!! These guys are just losing it more and more each passing minute, and we can't bomb them back to the 15th century, they haven't gotten there yet.

Not that he's helping himself by calling out the religion when fervor is high, but the nail in the coffin for him would have to be calling out the religion and Hosni Mubarak's socialist state apparatus. In a place where free speech isn't respected, shitting on both major power brokers leaves one with few options.

From the article:

I wonder if he sang praises of Mubarak, calling him the great benevolent leader, while coming down hard on Islamists what his punishment would be.

In America we have The Nation of Islam. Are they anti-Christian or anti-white or anti-America? All of the above and none of the above. It is each believer’s interpretation of what they believe to be the truth. So are we at war with Islam or are we at war with groups of individuals who hide behind a religion for which they use as a filler to promote their own goal. Christians did it during the crusades. "Ye shall not use my name to further his own gospel for it shall be stripped of ye.....how can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only."--Jesus

I could be wrong but Jesus nor did Muhammad ever wield a sword, AK-47, or 240 Bravo against another. With that being said, it is a bastardized version of Islam that we are fighting along with those sick SOB's who would rape and kill your mothers, wives, and daughters because they believe the are the hand of God.

You might want to study a little history. Whether Muhammad "raised a sword" personally or not - his followers certainly did, and he amassed fortune and power while exhorting them to "convert, enslave, or kill" non-believers.

The words and deeds of the Nation of Islam give me cause to equate them with every other radical/terrorist group. Individuals count for little when the group and its leadership espouse racism, radicalism, and violence.

Peregrino

[QUOTE]Future,

Not sure what your point is here. Are you excusing the religion or the followers?

The Nation of Islam has, for all intense and purposes, been marginalized by the rest of the Muslim community. Obviously this has been brought about by Louis Farrakhan's extreme teachings. His teachings, until recently, were anti-white, anti-American and anti-semetic !

Since he is the mouth for the Nation of Islam, then would it not seem logical that his followers must subscribe to his subversive vituperation?

not at Badr in 624...? not at Uhud in 625...? not at Hudaybiyah in 628...? he led 10,000 armed men into Mecca in 630...never raised a sword...? you, mr. Future, are out of your element....

I stand corrected lksteve, Muhammad was a bad example...My primary thought is still that we are not fighting true Islam but variations of it. In the Islamic world their is contidiction to the true origin of the faith. I know people who are devout Muslims and they do not subscribe to the thinking of jihad or violence in any form or fashion. The Nation of Islam is not traditional Islam. It started with Elijah Muhammad's ideology. Point being it is of an occult following. I have heard Farrakhan speak and have read his doctrine. In El-hajj Malik El-shabazz's (Malcolm X) words he came to a point that he denounced the nation of islam.

Question= If you attend a Christian church for many years and later you find out that the Pastor engages in adultry, or homosexuality, or some type of other than honorable act ; does that make you the same as he because you are apart of the congregation?

I BELIEVE IN JESUS CHRIST AS MY LORD AND SAVIOR. AND I BELIEVE THAT GOD CREATED SOME PEOPLE TO FIGHT THE IN-JUSTICE AND THE EVIL IN THIS WORLD THAT IF LEFT UNCHECKED WILL SURELY DEVOUR US ALL.

It does if you praise him for doing it, celebrate the acts, or encourage others to do so, or collect money to knowingly pay for his sin, as many Muslims do.

I would acknowledge that many Muslims are peaceful people, some may even be tolerant (though the Quran does not advocate that throughout), but very few are actually speaking out against the violence being committed in their God and Prophet's name.

Many Muslims are actually supporters and enablers of the violence. If just 50% of the Muslims in Iraq reported suspected terrorists and terrorist acts, how long do you think it would take to eliminate the threat and establish peace?

As far as the Inquisition and the Crusades go as examples of Christian violence (specifically, Catholic), who today is advocating loudly and publicly, as Martin Luther did with Christianity, for a reformation of the Islamic faith?

IMHO, we have a violent medieval religion in primitive countries which have stagnated, and are refusing to evolve, modernize, or oppose the murder and violence being committed in their names.

TR

We, where do you get we and whose version of true Islam do you want to believe today? The non-Islamic world is just a part of this equation. Fundamentalist adherents of Islam are fighting the sheeple of Islam for control of all of Islam and are demonstrating that they have the ability to take on and defeat the infidels in order to recruit more to their fundamentalist cause in order to create the next Caliphate. It is that simple. There is no we, there are true believers and infidels. When the non-fundamentalists stand up and fight the fundamentalists then the equation will change but until then the do nothing silent majority of so called peace loving muslims, who are considered as non-believers by their own cohorts, are enabling the fundamentalists to co-opt their own religion by inaction, cowardice, and complicit joy at the success enjoyed by their one true god exercised by blood thirsty jerks who gain acceptance into paradise for the slaughter of infidels.

Another Muslim who sees his religion topping his nationality and selling us out.

What is up with these people?

TR

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,257619,00.html

Former Navy Sailor Arrested for Allegedly Passing Classified Secrets to Terror Financier
Wednesday, March 07, 2007

WASHINGTON —

A former Navy sailor was arrested on terrorism charges Wednesday for alleging mishandling classified information that ended up in the hands of a suspected terrorism financier.

Hassan Abujihaad, 31, of Phoenix, was arrested in a case that began in Connecticut and has stretched across the country and into Europe and the Middle East.

Abujihaad, who is also known as Paul R. Hall, is charged in the same case as Babar Ahmad, a British computer specialist accused of running Web sites to raise money for terrorism. He is schedule be extradited to the U.S. to face trial.

Abujihaad was arrested in Phoenix on charges of supporting terrorism with an intent to kill U.S. citizens and transmitting classified information to unauthorized people.

During the Ahmad investigation, investigators discovered computer files containing classified information about the positions of U.S. Navy ships and discussing their susceptibility to attack.

Abujihaad, a former enlisted man, exchanged e-mails with Ahmad while on active duty on the USS Benfold, a guided-missile destroyer, in 2000 and 2001, according to an affidavit released Wednesday. He allegedly purchased videos promoting violent jihad.

The documents retrieved from Ahmad show drawings of Navy battle groups and discuss upcoming missions. They also say the battle group could be attacked using small weapons such as rocket-propelled grenades. The ships were never attacked.

Abujihaad had a secret security clearance that would have allowed him access to that material, according to the affidavit.

The investigation was run out of Connecticut because Ahmad allegedly used an Internet service provider there to host one of his fundraising Web sites.

Ahmad was arrested in 2004 but the case against Abujihaad apparently received a boost in December following the arrest of Derrick Shareef, 22, of Genoa, Ill., near Chicago, who was accused of planning to use hand grenades to attack holiday shoppers at a mall.

According to the affidavit, Shareef and Abujihaad lived together in 2004 when Ahmad was arrested. After reading news reports of the case, Abujihaad became upset and said "I think this is about me," Shareef told investigators.

Authorities then taped a phone conversation between Abujihaad and a confidential informant in which Abujihaad appeared nervous. Though Abujihaad didn't say outright that he was involved in the leak of classified information, the affidavit provided enough evidence for an arrest warrant.

It's early for a rant...but why not.
It becomes very easy for the misinformed to sell out....they don't understand what they are selling out. Every group of whatever persuasion seeks to be acknowledged for what/who they are. Ask these jokers and they don't see themselves as 'Americans' they are hyphenated somethings. It is very true that if you don't stand for something you will fall for anything. Somewhere the cart got off the track. My ancestors made it to the U.S. in 1910. I am about as connected with their nation of origin as I am to the planet formerly known as pluto. I also do not confuse religion with nationality. The two are not synonymous despite what the communist news network or other tabloids crank out.

<<sorry had to edit some of my major grammar errors>>