I see in your profile that you are a student, with no military service noted in that profile. I also noticed, that this was your fourth post on this board. It seems to me that you are not in a position to be critical of posts made here by others. We all have opinions and thoughts on this election and the next CIC. There are many here that are still serving or have served this Countries military for over 30 years. I think you should think about that before spouting off to other posters here.

I have also noticed, that as a student you can't seem spell ('campaing') Or was that just a typo?

My advice to you, is to take your own advice to read more and talk/post less, especially about the military, since you haven't served. Since you list yourself as a student, one has to assume you don't have a lot of real life experience, to base your statements on either.

I doubt that you will find any takers for a 'discourse' with you on any matters of any real importance that are discussed here, given your profile and 'attitude' that you have shown in your last post. I know, that I have no wish to discuss anything with you given that attitude on your 4th post here. :mad:

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To each...
 

"From each according to their ability, to each according to his needs"

Hmmmm, where have I heard that before.


"In a higher phase of communist society, after the enslaving subordination of the individual to the division of labor, and therewith also the antithesis between mental and physical labor, has vanished; after labor has become not only a means of life but life's prime want; after the productive forces have also increased with the all-around development of the individual, and all the springs of co-operative wealth flow more abundantly—only then can the narrow horizon of bourgeois right be crossed in its entirety and society inscribe on its banners: From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs!"

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Let us begin
 

The first step in your 12 step healing process will be to admit that Fascism, Communism, Socialism and Nazism are leftist movements.

The above movements share many similar features but do vary in some key ideas.

The basic rise to power is to mobilize the masses with retoric against the "haves". Class warfare - so to say. The masses are fired up to get their "pot with a chicken" in it and rise physically or at the ballot box to give the one making the promises power.

Once in power the new ruler moves to control the population though the means of information and power - disarming the population and beefing up the internal forces.

Just as HC has done down in V-Land.

What's so sad is the left clap their hands at how good it is to take down the rich, shut up opposition speach and get rid of evil guns.

It is the left - not the right - in this country that is making threats to take from the evil rich, shut down opposition speach, take away guns and form an internal security force stronger than the military.

Response please.

Pete

Seems as if everyone is beginning to dogpile... but a look from my non-QP point of view.

As a Soldier that by timing of joining understands the GWOT and COIN, QP's here, in an overwhelming majority by timing understood Communism, Marxism, Socialism and COIN. I have no doubt in my mind that they do indeed understand socialism. Socialism is fairly blunt, and straight forward.

Agreed.

aweful quote but so true
 

sorry to even say this quote but it rings in my head..the last star wars where the queen or whoever the hell it was says " this is how democracy dies...with thunderous cheer"

I know there are better quotes im sure...but how fitting on a morning like this.


just my meager .02

It's a dark morning, and my thoughts are likewise.

Our problem is, I think, two-fold. In essence, the weapon has been cocked through the election of a socialist executive and legislative branch. The trigger will be pulled when some crisis occurs and the executive branch responds. The nature of the crisis will have some implications.

If events facilitate the broad accumulation of power - as I suspect they will - and if the Congress and Executive branches pursue that end, then matters will be both problematic and volatile.

And now, a request for guidance.

My personal preference for referring to the President-elect is BO, or perhaps B0. However, I recognize this may be at variance with the standards of this board and its fine members. Therefore, any advice would be appreciated.

jiggz23, he ran a better funded campaign with the support of the MSM and celebrity. I guess it just goes to show that Oprah can buy herself a president.

Not all dems are sheep, but all people who voted based on the cover of US and Men's Health magazine are. Let's be perfectly honest here. If a white man with the same credentials ran, he never would have made it past the primaries. Many people voted for Obama strictly because he is black, which IMO is just as racist as someone not voting for him because he is black.

I think most of the people on this board are well acquainted with the theories of socialism, but thanks for the suggestion.

Jacob, I would love to be a fly on the wall in a team room when you utter the above comment. Clearly, you have no concept of what Obama's win entails to the men and women in uniform.

I ran five sub 7.5 minute miles (I know it is par for the course for you guys, but it was a personal best for me :) ) this morning on pure anger. Not at Obama, but at the people who so blindly followed him without bothering to think for themselves. I can handle dems who think and have a sound reasonable argument for voting for him. I can even respectfully disagree, but the people who never bothered to look at the candidate and his policies make me crazy. I have heard way too many Obama supporters around me citing outrageous propaganda as to why they are voting for Obama in the last month. One woman came right out and told me that he disagreed with his policies, but she wanted to see a more diverse representation in the White House :rolleyes:

Freedom as we know it is on Life Support and only time will tell if it regains consciousness.

That's EXACTLY the reason why I felt uneasy and was not optomistic. (I eventually gave in and voted in the last poll for a slim mccain win... probably because logic crept into my thought process)

With people like that plus those looking for a handout, the ignorant sheeple who are easily manipulated, and a ethically bankrupt media in this country it was an uphill battle.

I am worried. Worried about the next 4 years, worried about the damage it will cause long-term, worried about what this means to have a republic that has gotten to this point....

jiggz23, I for one won't even entertain your offer to engage in a "proper discourse" with you and I will list the reasons why:

1. You offer this "engagement" the day AFTER the election is finished. If you truly felt you had a strong arguement you would have posted before, not now.

2. I can clearly see you do not understand the audience you address here. This is a site that is run by, and established for some of the most learned and professional military members that you will ever have a chance to meet. They are the ones who have made history, and are spoken about in the books, movies, and who continue to push the envelope within this chosen profession. I will repeat the word "profession", as it is something very different from "service", opportunity, and "once was". I am in awe of the mentor who introduced me to this site, and look forward to learning from others daily when I log on. These are men who have something to share for those of us still willing to learn. These are the caliber of men I will engage in a discussion with, not you. I have no idea who you are. You know my age, profession, and education. What do you offer?

3. If you have read line 2, then you may understand that you will NOT get engaged in a "discussion" by the active duty members on this site, as the new President Elect is now our future Commander in Chief. Just as we served honorably for the Presidents prior will serve our new CINC the same. In the military we defend Democracy, but we do not practice it.

Change in this country is coming, but it will not be by the feeble minded who only pile on when things are good, and when the pack speaks. This is how I view you and your decision to post now.

For those on this site who are free to speak their minds, please continue, as knowledge comes from those with the wisdom and experience to share it. For those of us who remain in service, we still have a job to do, and the ruck sack in the corner still weighs the same.

Watch how quickly Bill and Hilly find themselves basking in obscurity, along with any Dems who aren't lefty enough. The media will not be taking the piss out of this guy, they will lockstep and sing praises.

Son, I do not know what kind of drugs you are on, but I recommend that you quit before you arrive at the MEPS station for inprocessing.

Obama, Reid, and Pelosi are going to cut the military budget to the bone, snatch defeat from the jaws of victory in Iraq, use the military for social experiments, and ensure that you will be provided with the opportunity to give your life for a lost cause in the near future. This will begin within a year of the inauguration.

When you are sitting on your ass at Bragg, CoC too scared that someone will get hurt to leave the team room, with no money, fuel, or ammo to train, fellow SF soldiers on food stamps, a pole smoker standing next to you in the shower, and a lesbian arriving as your new 18D, you will realize what a mistake you have made.

I lived through the Carter era, it was not pretty.

Pride in my country does not extend to the ignorance and gullibility of my fellow citizens.

I also expect a major terrorist incident, likely in CONUS, during Obama's term.

A president who consorts with racists, terrorists, and criminals, who lies and promises all things to all people, who sees income redistribution and socialism as viable economic and social programs, and who believes that the Constitution is flexible and to be interpreted as needed to justify his actions is not going to have our best interests at heart. His goal was to become POTUS, and that was the entire purpose of his adult life. Pursuit of power. Reminds me of an nationalist-socialist Austrian corporal who was a great motivator and speaker, elected when his country was at a low point, rose to absolute power, manipulated his country's constitution, and fooled a lot of his own people with the assistance of the press.

Good luck, Barry. God Bless America, we are all going to need it!

TR

This pretty much sums up my personal feelings on the election of O. Hussein as Our next CIC.:mad:

Indeed God help us all, and especially those serving in Uniform.:(

Holly